You said, "This work-around is applicable if duration of continuous activity is known." Just another reason not to use the workaround, not even Spider workarounds, better use Spider functionality specific for this. Now I know the workarounds are not 100% equivalent.
Thanks for the warning.
Regards,
Rafael
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Submitted by Rafael Davila on Wed, 2012-10-24 11:50
There are 3 options I know work in Spider, options 1, option 3 and option 4 on the following figure.
option 1 [this I prefer] use specific functionality for this purpose [continuous].
option 4 [maybe] not needed in Spider as option 1 is easier and less prone to error, though good to show off one of the many uses for lag calendar different to predecessor and successor activities calendar.
but option 3 no way as it adds an extra milestone activity that must be updated [can be an issue with out-of sequence if not done correctly], can be error prone. In addition I do not like to use unnecessary milestones for many reasons, updating and resource leveling with optimization stand out among them. I try to use milestones only when required for logic, redundant no way.
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Submitted by Vladimir Liberzon on Wed, 2012-10-24 08:26
adding milestone or applying lag calendar is applicable only if uninterruptible activity duration is known.
So using Spider I suggest to stay with the standard option - just define which activities shall be continuous.
But P6 has no such option and does not permit to assign separate lag calendars. That is why I suggested to use intermediate milestone. This work-around is applicable if duration of continious activity is known. For Spider users it is not necessary.
Make your planning durations in hours or create a separate calendar for the curing that have a working hours till the midnight. Show the working hours in the dates column and set the start and finish in terms of time.
Hope this will help.
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Submitted by Dieter Wambach on Mon, 2012-10-22 22:49
I just can agree Vladimir; a parameter just as "uninterruptible" doesn't exist in P6 as far as I know. So a work-around has to be created.
P6 calculates in decimals of a minute. Some years ago Oracle/Primavera promised to us (to heads of planning of German EPC-Contractors to include a parameter equivalent to uninteruptible, but unfortunately our quantity of licences is too small - obviously.
Questions:
- If the predecessor ends at noon; will the successor start the same or the following day.
- What will happen if later?
- How is the quality of the reported progress?
- Frequency of update
Regards
Dieter
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Submitted by Vladimir Liberzon on Mon, 2012-10-22 21:32
You asked about special activity property (non-interruptible) that exists in Spider Project but does not exist in P6.
If you know that activity duration the solution may be suggested. Insert milestone activity that precedes an activity that shall be finished before the end of the day. Create a special calendar for this milestone where work day ends six hours before the end of the standard work day. Link preceding activities with your activity only through this milestone.
I don't know other solution for P6. If it will not help switch to Spider Project and you will not have problems with modelling any situation.
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21 years 7 monthsVladimir.You said, "This
Vladimir.
You said, "This work-around is applicable if duration of continuous activity is known." Just another reason not to use the workaround, not even Spider workarounds, better use Spider functionality specific for this. Now I know the workarounds are not 100% equivalent.
Thanks for the warning.
Regards,
Rafael
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21 years 7 monthsThere are 3 options I know
There are 3 options I know work in Spider, options 1, option 3 and option 4 on the following figure.
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24 years 8 monthsRafael, adding milestone or
Rafael,
adding milestone or applying lag calendar is applicable only if uninterruptible activity duration is known.
So using Spider I suggest to stay with the standard option - just define which activities shall be continuous.
But P6 has no such option and does not permit to assign separate lag calendars. That is why I suggested to use intermediate milestone. This work-around is applicable if duration of continious activity is known. For Spider users it is not necessary.
Best Regards,
Vladimir
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13 yearsThank you all for your quick
Thank you all for your quick response.
I'll play around with the suggested solutions. I'll write to the forum if I run into other difficulties.
Thanks again
Nic
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15 years 11 monthsHi Nicolas, Make your
Hi Nicolas,
Make your planning durations in hours or create a separate calendar for the curing that have a working hours till the midnight.
Show the working hours in the dates column and set the start and finish in terms of time.
Hope this will help.
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18 years 9 monthsHi NicolasI just can agree
Hi Nicolas
I just can agree Vladimir; a parameter just as "uninterruptible" doesn't exist in P6 as far as I know. So a work-around has to be created.
P6 calculates in decimals of a minute. Some years ago Oracle/Primavera promised to us (to heads of planning of German EPC-Contractors to include a parameter equivalent to uninteruptible, but unfortunately our quantity of licences is too small - obviously.
Questions:
- If the predecessor ends at noon; will the successor start the same or the following day.
- What will happen if later?
- How is the quality of the reported progress?
- Frequency of update
Regards
Dieter
Member for
24 years 8 monthsYou asked about special
You asked about special activity property (non-interruptible) that exists in Spider Project but does not exist in P6.
If you know that activity duration the solution may be suggested. Insert milestone activity that precedes an activity that shall be finished before the end of the day. Create a special calendar for this milestone where work day ends six hours before the end of the standard work day. Link preceding activities with your activity only through this milestone.
I don't know other solution for P6. If it will not help switch to Spider Project and you will not have problems with modelling any situation.