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Open ended tasks on critical path

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William Millar
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Hi all,

I have an issue with open ended tasks ina plan. I'm analysing the plan with Primavera risk analyser and the open ended tasks in the plan are lying on the critical path.

What's the best way to deal with this, please?

 

Get the master Primavera plan to tie these tasks t oend dates, set way in the future, but not affecting the schedule or to ty to stop Primavera putting these on the critical path which (presumably) should stop Primavera risk anayser seing them there too?

 

Also, in the primavera plan there isa problem whereby the task roll-ups sum to a greater duration than they should. Could this be due to the amount of open ended tasks in this plan too?

 

Many thanks

 

 

W

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Rafael Davila
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Just remember to avoid the misconception there is always a single critical path, real life contracts usually involve several delivery milestones.

From

http://www.icoste.org/AACE2008%20Papers/Toronto_ps07.pdf

The longest path basis for determining the critical-path is flawed, because of the common use of internal start-no-earlier-than and finish-no-later-than date constraints. From a practical standpoint, the prolific use of date constraints cannot be mandated out of existence, and is likely to only increase in the future. Actually, we encourage the discrete use of date constraints as a practical and effective way to simulate project management intentions and their likely consequences.

Although I completely agree with the above statement I would like to add that some software wrongly implement the FNL constraints by fixing late dates to impossible dates, ridiculous late dates early than early dates !!! thus creating the negative lag aberration. Not all software implement the modeling of FNL constraints so wrong with such distortion of the float values, one of the most important metrics in scheduling.

It is simple, if a FNL constraint cannot be met then the late dates become equal to the early dates, late cannot be earlier than early, a missing mathematical constraint in such software. Note that the right mathematical model Keeps the correct identification of criticality on these activities maintaining float equal to 0 and not by assigning dates that have no meaning in the physical world as we know it.

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Gary Whitehead
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just link them to the latest activity in the project -don't create a new milestone beyond the end date, as that will then become your new critical path

William Millar
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Thanks Johannes,

As an interim solution (as the plan isn't my own) would you advise adding either a successor task or an end milestone to each of the open-ended tasks, with these set at a point in the future beyond the schedule?

 

Thanks

 

W

Johannes Vandenberg
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Hi William

The best way to deal with this situation is to make sure that all activities have predessesors and successors. In a schedele you should not have open ends. If you use Primavera Risk Analysis then use the option "Schedule check". This detailes all the anomilies in the schedele.

Johannes