Imagine there’s no countries
It isn’t hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace...

Wishful thinking?

Clive,

Apoloogies accepted.

I believer you seldom offer your sincere apologies.

Indeed Planning planet is the most beautiful and wonderful planet on earth.

Cheers,

Joseph

Clive,

I really wonder why you view client’s project manager on the dark side.

This is not Star Wars and we are not playing star wars movie episode 1 to 6: I’m not Luke Skywalker and you are not Darth Vadeer.

The point here Clive is to learn partnership and go away with prejudice.

Client’s project managers have the same interest as any other project team members on the contractor side.

Key word: PARTNERSHIP

Cheers,

Joseph

Charlie
Got an e mail on your response to this thread but cant find the response
Whats happening.

Sorry,
I will try to write in English next time so that my writing does not require a translation.
My apologies.

Charlie
So good to see you are still with us even though you have ventured to the Dark Side (clients project manager)
Always thought they were the guys who told you how they would do it without having to do it.

Nice to see that planning technology has been influenced by the United States, a country that often struggles to plan successfully especially when it comes to its more public face, ie Iraq, Iran (remember the yellow ribbons and the fact the Americans did not know that sand was not good for helicopters) Vietnam and the list continues, in fact the only time they ever seem to get it right is when they join halfway through.

However having said all of this, in a effort to counter an element of bigotory prevalent in your posting I would add this.

""When you call yourself an Indian or a Muslim or a Christian or a European, or anything else, you are being violent. Do you see why it is violent? Because you are separating yourself from the rest of mankind. When you separate yourself by belief, by nationality, by tradition, it breeds violence. So a man who is seeking to understand violence does not belong to any country, to any religion, to any political party or partial system; he is concerned with the total understanding of mankind.”
Jiddu Krishnamurti
(1895-1986)
Freedom from the Known (pp. 51-52)


Now onto the more important aspects of this topic.

"Most project managers do not wish to hear their project is behind schedule", seems reasonable. What is however important is what they do when they do hear it is behind schedule. Good managers will take decisive action, bad managers will attempt to mimic and Ostrich.

Of course a good manager will have established a system by which he has found out the trend is going South, long before it becomes a problem. As to whether he is black, blue, green or yellow this to me is irrelevant, its whether he can manage or he cant.

Joseph

I do agree with your contention that no body in construction wants to listen ’Delay’ either Contracts Manager, Project Manager, Resident Engineer or Project Director etc. everyone wants to see the project ’On Programme’.

Carmen,

I agree with you.

PM should know what the planners are tweakings in the baseline programme.

I’m now a project manager working on the client side.

I run filter on the main contractor P3 schedule and found out 400 activities schedule to start but not started and 500 activities schedule to finish but not finish. The contractor only got 200 direct workers. So no way can the delays be mitigated.

Nobody knows the extent of the delays because the planning engineer did not informed the project manager.

When I worked in the contractor side as planning engineer, the project manager and construction manager dont want to know the delays. When I worked in the consultant side, project director, construction director, resident engineer, etc., do not want to know the delays.

So what are planning for???????

but I agree different cultures have different approach in the way planning will have relevance in the project. I agree with Brad because i did notice your part of the plannet are practicing this type of planning, the way you mention in your post.

But your cousin in US of A, have a different view on the way planning have effective relevance in project implementation. In the same way that countries influence by US of A ways of project planning and implementation have different approach in project management.

To Carmen: keep up the best practice in project planning and project implementation

Cheers,

Joseph

Carmen

Most PM’s ihave worked with have been a pain in the arse, so i take great joy in providing them with the bad news they deserve, the good ones get the information well in advance and we avoid any major issues

now get my tea ready

ha ha ha

carmen

if your only a little old planner like us all what is the point in evaluating PM things, leave that to them, they are alien beings from another world whom i take great joy in telling them when things have gone wrong,

ha ha ha ha

Hi Carmen,

I just left the planning job in railway.

Send your cv to the agency thru job page.

Job page - dubai - railway construction.

Cheers,

Joseph

Brad,

You are everywhere in planningplanet. Please find me a work in Railway field.

Haaaaaaa Yeeeeeee

HI Brad,

Skiving off work. YES and I want to hear How the work is not being done.

When your work is so frustrating, It is better to hear how others are doing things.

Yeeeeeeee Haaaaaaaaaaa

Hi all,

Does anybody know of any planning or project management conferences being held in Europe from August to October this year?

I need to hear new ways of planning and project management.

Thanks & Ciao
carmen