Clive is correctly saying that being acknowledged the progress is behind against the planned the Good managers take decisive/remedial action forthwith whereas others attempt to imitate as routine matters not considering these ‘Delays’ seriously
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Submitted by Charleston-Jos… on Tue, 2007-08-07 01:50
This kiind of approach in planning where nobody listen to what the planning updates are all about only happen in your part of the world or UK or commonwealth countries or other countries under the British Empire where the sun dont settle down. Only in your part.
Other countries infuence by the original of planning thoughts (Im refering to US of A really), planning software have different views and the way planning are used to influence the positive outcome of projects.
I know because Im been to a lot of countries.
But in fairness the practice of not letting the project team knows the real status make the project team lazy, lethargic and hence realistic delays. This also make useful employmnent of forensic planners, claim specialist, etc.
You know this because if all project are on schedule, then, forensic planners will be irrelevant.
Cheers,
Joseph
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Submitted by Shahzad Munawar on Mon, 2007-08-06 14:39
I do agree with your contention that no body in construction wants to listen Delay either Contracts Manager, Project Manager, Resident Engineer or Project Director etc. everyone wants to see the project On Programme.
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Submitted by Brennan Westworth on Mon, 2007-08-06 05:18
I have worked in some many multicultural projects that I would like to share with you my conclusions with regard cultures and Project management:
-American and Canadian project managers: they are the best understanding planning vocabulary and taking advantage of planning tools.
South American Project managers: first of all, we can not use planning terminology in Spanish because it is difficult to translate and you do not get the same meaning as in English. Second, we south Americans are really good with improvisation. So planning is against to our nature.
European project managers (excepting UK): make things more difficult that they normally are. They understand very well planning terminology BUT the use of planning tools is very complicated.
I would like to believe that British project management must have very good planning background. Especially when I see in PP many aids of planners willing to go UK to become good planners.
Thanks for your words with regard Keeping the best practices in planning.
Cheers,
carmen
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Submitted by Charleston-Jos… on Thu, 2007-07-19 02:30
PM should know what the planners are tweakings in the baseline programme.
Im now a project manager working on the client side.
I run filter on the main contractor P3 schedule and found out 400 activities schedule to start but not started and 500 activities schedule to finish but not finish. The contractor only got 200 direct workers. So no way can the delays be mitigated.
Nobody knows the extent of the delays because the planning engineer did not informed the project manager.
When I worked in the contractor side as planning engineer, the project manager and construction manager dont want to know the delays. When I worked in the consultant side, project director, construction director, resident engineer, etc., do not want to know the delays.
So what are planning for???????
but I agree different cultures have different approach in the way planning will have relevance in the project. I agree with Brad because i did notice your part of the plannet are practicing this type of planning, the way you mention in your post.
But your cousin in US of A, have a different view on the way planning have effective relevance in project implementation. In the same way that countries influence by US of A ways of project planning and implementation have different approach in project management.
To Carmen: keep up the best practice in project planning and project implementation
Cheers,
Joseph
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Submitted by Carmen Arape on Wed, 2007-07-18 10:34
I have not started this business from P3enterprise. I am not very old to think in ARTEMIS for mainframe. I am someone in between these two events. BUT I am someone who believes in providing good information to PM although sometimes they are not able to understand it.
Why having Joy in telling them “things have gone wrong” instead of “things are going to be wrong” if you do not take the proper actions.
Cheers,
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Submitted by Carmen Arape on Mon, 2007-07-16 11:55
Does it have to be Las Vegas? Only the Project Management Institute are running a series of seminars in California in December, this link will take you to them.
Regards
Chris Oggham
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Submitted by Brennan Westworth on Thu, 2007-07-12 05:35
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Imagine theres no countries
It isnt hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace...
Wishful thinking?
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Excuse me. Did anyone ever get to a Planning Conference in Las Vegas?
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Clive,
Apoloogies accepted.
I believer you seldom offer your sincere apologies.
Indeed Planning planet is the most beautiful and wonderful planet on earth.
Cheers,
Joseph
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Clive,
I really wonder why you view clients project manager on the dark side.
This is not Star Wars and we are not playing star wars movie episode 1 to 6: Im not Luke Skywalker and you are not Darth Vadeer.
The point here Clive is to learn partnership and go away with prejudice.
Clients project managers have the same interest as any other project team members on the contractor side.
Key word: PARTNERSHIP
Cheers,
Joseph
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Clive,
It was deleted by the moderator.
It was so provocative since it relate to the history of UK.
I love this planet. At least we have moderator to temper emotions.
Cheers Clive and continue posting in PP.
Jopseh
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I think you should improve your English skills being non EU...
No need to apologize .... try to improve..........
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Clive is correctly saying that being acknowledged the progress is behind against the planned the Good managers take decisive/remedial action forthwith whereas others attempt to imitate as routine matters not considering these ‘Delays’ seriously
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Hi Shahzad,
This kiind of approach in planning where nobody listen to what the planning updates are all about only happen in your part of the world or UK or commonwealth countries or other countries under the British Empire where the sun dont settle down. Only in your part.
Other countries infuence by the original of planning thoughts (Im refering to US of A really), planning software have different views and the way planning are used to influence the positive outcome of projects.
I know because Im been to a lot of countries.
But in fairness the practice of not letting the project team knows the real status make the project team lazy, lethargic and hence realistic delays. This also make useful employmnent of forensic planners, claim specialist, etc.
You know this because if all project are on schedule, then, forensic planners will be irrelevant.
Cheers,
Joseph
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Joseph
I do agree with your contention that no body in construction wants to listen Delay either Contracts Manager, Project Manager, Resident Engineer or Project Director etc. everyone wants to see the project On Programme.
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Thanks Chris,
its only a short drive (by Australian standards) from Cali to Vegas.
http://www.google.com.au/maps?q=Las+Vegas,+NV,+USA&sa=X&oi=map&ct=image
yeeee haaaaar
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Joseph,
I have worked in some many multicultural projects that I would like to share with you my conclusions with regard cultures and Project management:
-American and Canadian project managers: they are the best understanding planning vocabulary and taking advantage of planning tools.
South American Project managers: first of all, we can not use planning terminology in Spanish because it is difficult to translate and you do not get the same meaning as in English. Second, we south Americans are really good with improvisation. So planning is against to our nature.
European project managers (excepting UK): make things more difficult that they normally are. They understand very well planning terminology BUT the use of planning tools is very complicated.
I would like to believe that British project management must have very good planning background. Especially when I see in PP many aids of planners willing to go UK to become good planners.
Thanks for your words with regard Keeping the best practices in planning.
Cheers,
carmen
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Carmen,
I agree with you.
PM should know what the planners are tweakings in the baseline programme.
Im now a project manager working on the client side.
I run filter on the main contractor P3 schedule and found out 400 activities schedule to start but not started and 500 activities schedule to finish but not finish. The contractor only got 200 direct workers. So no way can the delays be mitigated.
Nobody knows the extent of the delays because the planning engineer did not informed the project manager.
When I worked in the contractor side as planning engineer, the project manager and construction manager dont want to know the delays. When I worked in the consultant side, project director, construction director, resident engineer, etc., do not want to know the delays.
So what are planning for???????
but I agree different cultures have different approach in the way planning will have relevance in the project. I agree with Brad because i did notice your part of the plannet are practicing this type of planning, the way you mention in your post.
But your cousin in US of A, have a different view on the way planning have effective relevance in project implementation. In the same way that countries influence by US of A ways of project planning and implementation have different approach in project management.
To Carmen: keep up the best practice in project planning and project implementation
Cheers,
Joseph
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Brad,
have a nice tea TIME.
My coffee and cookies wait for ME.
Ciao
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Brad,
I have not started this business from P3enterprise. I am not very old to think in ARTEMIS for mainframe. I am someone in between these two events. BUT I am someone who believes in providing good information to PM although sometimes they are not able to understand it.
Why having Joy in telling them “things have gone wrong” instead of “things are going to be wrong” if you do not take the proper actions.
Cheers,
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Joseph,
Thanks, But I think it would be better to stay in the Oil&Gas field.
I did one a change in the past to Mining. After that experience, I thought the OIL&Gas business is my field.
Cheers
Chris,
Thanks, Got the event list from IPMA. Two seminars caught my attention:
The Business of project (London)
Projects under Risk (iceland)
Both courses are project managers oriented. I am not project manager BUT I am evaluating both.
Cheers
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Hi Carmen,
I just left the planning job in railway.
Send your cv to the agency thru job page.
Job page - dubai - railway construction.
Cheers,
Joseph
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Hi Carmen,
As far as events from August to October are concerned, some are being run by The International Project Mangement Association at various European locations.
You might pick up something else youre interested in from the links on the page. Might be worth a look.
Chris Oggham
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Brad,
You are everywhere in planningplanet. Please find me a work in Railway field.
Haaaaaaa Yeeeeeee
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HI Brad,
Skiving off work. YES and I want to hear How the work is not being done.
When your work is so frustrating, It is better to hear how others are doing things.
Yeeeeeeee Haaaaaaaaaaa
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Hi all,
Does anybody know of any planning or project management conferences being held in Europe from August to October this year?
I need to hear new ways of planning and project management.
Thanks & Ciao
carmen
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Hi Brennan,
Does it have to be Las Vegas? Only the Project Management Institute are running a series of seminars in California in December, this link will take you to them.
Regards
Chris Oggham
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No events in December :(
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Check this link, All project managemet events are available here.
http://www.pmforum.org/events/index.htm
Well westworth, if u find this link worth for going to west, then send me two bottle of wine at least.
Cheers,
Raviraj