When I said theres something wrong, I mean in general development, from planning to execution (which is very subjective, like the calculations of original duration).
for example:
You might have an activity that you planned to finish in 10 days, you call ten days (10) your original duration (OD). But basically you never considered resource productivity rates in determining the 10 day-duration (you just assumed it). Now comes actual condition, say after five days, nothing happened (activity started but minimal or 0 progress). You might think that your remaining duration (RD) should be 5 days, but in reality, youll need another 10 days to finish the activity considering zero progress. This will become a chain reaction with regards to other activities and you might end up with a double or triple remaining durations for your activities (not to mention negative floats).
Now going back to the question: "Do we need to update the original duration?"
My answers are:
1. No - If you are going to stick to one Baseline Schedule.
2. And yes - If you consider Re-baselining or even not considering any baseline, but using your current schedule as your only monitor and making it dynamic without any comparison or reference.
This is just my opinion.
cheers!
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Submitted by mimoune djouallah on Thu, 2009-04-16 09:13
Of course you can, if thats how you see it practically, but there must be something very wrong in the first place (I mean in the development of your original durations).
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Submitted by mimoune djouallah on Thu, 2009-04-16 08:23
"what to do when original duration is not realistic?" well, I supposed that makes the Planner keeps his/her job (joke).
Seriously, I always consider "original durations" as your "baseline or target", any changes to it is another story. Calculations of original duration(s) should be always based on productivity rates (as agreed), (but never happens most of the time I supposed, thus making it unrealistic).
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Submitted by Gary Whitehead on Thu, 2009-04-16 08:12
Actually, I agree with Anoon. Changing the remaining duration will give you everything you need in terms of accurate forecasting, and having the original duration unchanged will highlight to you where you current planned (remaining) durations differ from original baseline.
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Submitted by mimoune djouallah on Thu, 2009-04-16 08:02
but what to do when the original duration is no more realistic, i "know" that for that particular activity, the subcontractor has a productivity that will not respect the OD, and i am pretty sure he will not add more resources.
and by the way, it is just an internal analysis, no worry about the client.
I would say yes because the program should reflect the most accurate forecast based on all available information.
But be sure to record any changes you make as it will always be a factor when analysing variance to baseline.
Another word of caution: some clients really dont like it when you change durations or logic without approval, because it makes the analysis they do more difficult. My view is youre not there to make the clients job easier, youre there to make it easier to deliver the project on time & budget.
Mind you, the next time I act as PMC, Ill probably change that view ;o)
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Submitted by Dieter Wambach on Thu, 2009-04-16 06:29
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All,
When I said theres something wrong, I mean in general development, from planning to execution (which is very subjective, like the calculations of original duration).
for example:
You might have an activity that you planned to finish in 10 days, you call ten days (10) your original duration (OD). But basically you never considered resource productivity rates in determining the 10 day-duration (you just assumed it). Now comes actual condition, say after five days, nothing happened (activity started but minimal or 0 progress). You might think that your remaining duration (RD) should be 5 days, but in reality, youll need another 10 days to finish the activity considering zero progress. This will become a chain reaction with regards to other activities and you might end up with a double or triple remaining durations for your activities (not to mention negative floats).
Now going back to the question: "Do we need to update the original duration?"
My answers are:
1. No - If you are going to stick to one Baseline Schedule.
2. And yes - If you consider Re-baselining or even not considering any baseline, but using your current schedule as your only monitor and making it dynamic without any comparison or reference.
This is just my opinion.
cheers!
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19 yearsRE: do we need to update the original duration
Gary thats exactly the situation
Dieter, and Annon, basically there is nothing wrong with the plan, unfortunately our subcontractor is doing less then expected.
regards
mimoune
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mimoune
Pay attention to the project related parameter: "Link budget and at completion...".
If you’ll consider to revise the plan??
I agree to Anoon, that there might be something wrong with your plan.
Regards
Dieter
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16 years 7 monthsRE: do we need to update the original duration
I dont think anything has to be very wrong in the development to do this.
for example, during program development a tank erection subby commits to a productivty rate of 100d per tank, and he has 10 tanks to do.
After the 1st 3 tanks are done, hes actually averaging 110d per tank. I see nothing wrong with increasing the RD to 110d for the remaining 7 tanks.
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19 years 1 monthRE: do we need to update the original duration
Of course you can, if thats how you see it practically, but there must be something very wrong in the first place (I mean in the development of your original durations).
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ok thanks, can i put RD > OD
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mimoune,
"what to do when original duration is not realistic?" well, I supposed that makes the Planner keeps his/her job (joke).
Seriously, I always consider "original durations" as your "baseline or target", any changes to it is another story. Calculations of original duration(s) should be always based on productivity rates (as agreed), (but never happens most of the time I supposed, thus making it unrealistic).
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16 years 7 monthsRE: do we need to update the original duration
Actually, I agree with Anoon. Changing the remaining duration will give you everything you need in terms of accurate forecasting, and having the original duration unchanged will highlight to you where you current planned (remaining) durations differ from original baseline.
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thanks all for your answers.
Anoon
but what to do when the original duration is no more realistic, i "know" that for that particular activity, the subcontractor has a productivity that will not respect the OD, and i am pretty sure he will not add more resources.
and by the way, it is just an internal analysis, no worry about the client.
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19 years 1 monthRE: do we need to update the original duration
IMHO, you dont need to, but you can always calculate the remaining duration. Updating original duration(s) is like making multiple baselines.
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I would say yes because the program should reflect the most accurate forecast based on all available information.
But be sure to record any changes you make as it will always be a factor when analysing variance to baseline.
Another word of caution: some clients really dont like it when you change durations or logic without approval, because it makes the analysis they do more difficult. My view is youre not there to make the clients job easier, youre there to make it easier to deliver the project on time & budget.
Mind you, the next time I act as PMC, Ill probably change that view ;o)
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mimoune
If you use P6, then you can use "Reflection".
View "projects" --> right click on your project --> create reflection.
Hope this helps.
Good luck!
Dieter