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linking MEP works with Interior Finishes

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Vishnu Kant Mishra
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Hello Freinds
I am working on a Hospital Project...and trying to prepare one master schedule which includes both MEP & Civil Finishes... i.e since I am doing the hospital project for the first time so can anybody help me out with what activities should i consider for MEP works viz. Electrical/Mechanical and HVAC and what are the dependencies on Interior finishes viz. Wall finishes, Ceiling, Flooring..

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Ali Osama
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this book show the sequence betweeb  mep and finishes 

https://www.bibloteka.com/mep-planning-manual/

Samer Zawaydeh
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Dear Mike,

I kept laughing for few minutes.

It can be printed on an A0 roll as well if it is a very detailed Schedule.

With kind regards,

Samer
Mike Testro
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Hi Vishnu

If he wants it all on only one sheet of paper you can print it A0 size.

Best regards

Mike Testro
Samer Zawaydeh
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Dear Vishnu,

You have a smart manager. I think that he has a lot of work as well.

I assume that you have a different program of works for each project. Each project will have a Condition of Contract which specifies the cost, duration and deliverables.

Start out with a one page excel sheet, and make a table showing the title of the project, its cost, and duration, and at the end of the table you will have the totals.

Now you need to monitor the The Major Area for each Project:

Time: Start date, current date, duration, % elapsed, % remaining

Cost: Contract amount, Invoiced completed works, Retention Amount, Recovery of Down Payment amount, Invoice Amount, % invoiced,

Scope: Variation Orders submitted, Variation Orders Pending approval, Variation Order approved, Variation orders rejected, Revised Contract Amount

You can have a few pie charts for the money, and a few bar charts of the variation orders.

It depends on how simple or sophisticated you want it to be. The important thing is that it must be clear and readable to the intended party.

Let me know if this is what you want, or you need something else.

With kind regards,

Samer
Vishnu Kant Mishra
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Dear Samer,

Currently we have 5 different projects under progress at different stages now my boss has asked me to prepare a one pager report covering all the projects in one sheet..i did it using charts and s-curves for costs which he refused to accept as his point was that they are not actuals and exact now can we discuss as to how to start with the same ..i mean u can give me an idea and we can elaborate the same..
Samer Zawaydeh
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Dear Vishnu,

Usually we have 17 different systems for Buildings. In the case of hospitals, you have more.

Take a look at the different systems from the drawings and the BOQ and list them.

In general, you have 1st, 2nd and 3rd fix for Electrical and 1st and 3rd for mechanical fixes. I trust that you can concentrate on the major systems first, then move on to the more simpler systems.

I would recommend that you divide each floor into the following major areas:

1. Rooms
2. Corridors
2.1 Shafts
3. Service area

Sit down with the Contractor and figure out the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd fix MEP in each room and their sequence. Then you can expand that to each floor.

Commissioning is important, so the medical technicians who will operate the equipment are a major part. You need to identify them. Maybe you need to pick up the phone and talk to the suppliers a bit if the staff is not known yet.

With kind regards,

Samer
Ashutosh Nema, PMP
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Dear Vishnu,
I think you should also include interface activities for different trade. In hospital projects specialized equipments are to be used in integration with the regular equipments. Hence my advice is for you to include engineering activities like preparation of shop drawing, review and approval.

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Vishnu Kant Mishra
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Hi! Samer thanx for prompt reply..

See Medical Equipments have been already fixed and our scope is that we give the areas ready to fitout..i.e. we provide all the services..viz..light, air and water and from der the supply install the equipment and after they are done we compete the remaining finishes like paint, floor ......

Now my key management is not technical and i have to sit with the Contractor but since I myself is new to to MEP works so I wanted to have a homework and den talk to dem..infact that is the reason why i have reuested u sometime back that if u have any schedule so that i can have an overview of the logic and may be den i can put the right question...
Samer Zawaydeh
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Dear Vishnu,

I think that the best thing you can do is to identify key managment people at this stage and meet with them a few times; Contractor, Medical, Operator, Owner.

Maybe it is a bit late at this stage, but you need to review the Medical Equipment that you want to install in the future because the technology keep changing, and chances are that something new (new medical device) already came up in the market and you want to install it.

Here are the Major Contracts/ Milestone that you need to decide:

1. Long Lead Items
2. Identify all the Mechanical Systems; make a list and review who is going to do what and when.
3. Landscape does not need 1 year to complete. You can start the hard landscape parallel to the main building, and the finishes you can complete it the last 6 months.
4. Direct purchase items like Furniture, signage; when and who is going to buy it.
5. Waste Management Planning is important. Make sure that the operator has what they need.
6. Medical Gases: Same as above.

It also depends on the Owner, if they want to have few entities at site, or they prefer to manage the work themselves and reduce the cost of overhead and managment by directly purchasing what they need.

I think that we will get you a LEVEL 1 schedule in few days of discussions.

With kind regards,

Samer
Vishnu Kant Mishra
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Thanx Samer and Mike..see I will tell you is that the Hospital Building is Ground +9 Floors and two basements.

The Structure is likely to get completed by Oct 10 and it started Sep 09

Now we are in the stage of award of contract for services and work shall commence by june 10.

My Construction team is comprised of Members who are non-engineers....mostly management personnel..so it is very important for me to have a schedule which is not very micro leveled..and not quantity based but item based time schedule...i need to convey them the likely start and finish of activities..and weather they are behind or ahead the time....

I am using the concept as under:
I have prepared the Schedule in 3 Critical Path...

1st Critical Path where I have float of 7 days...I have considered the activities of Civil Structure and Internal finishes (wall, Ceiling, Floor etc.)

2nd Critical Path where I have float of 14 days I have MEP low side works and External Fascade Works...

3rd Critical Path where I have float of 28 days I have MEP High Side Works and External development & landscape works

and the activities I have considered are as under:

Services Low Side:
Electrical
Risers
Cable Trays
Conduiting
Wiring
DBs Patch Panel
Swithces Sockets
Plumbing & Fire Fighting
Waste Pipes
Hot/Cold Gas Pipes
Fire System Pipes
Horizontal Pipes
Risers in Shaft
Fixtures & Fittings
HVAC
Duct Fabrication
Duct Installation
Duct Insulation
Chilled Water Pipes
Main Piping Upto Roof Slab
Interiors
POP
Ceiling Framing
Ceiling Boarding
Flooring
Grinding
Final Grinding
Pre-Final Paint
Final Paint

Now I have also prepared a schedule with these activities

My Total Project Duration is 24 Months the break up is
RCC Structure : 14 months
Services low side: 8 Months - 20 months
Services High Side (equipments: - 16 month - 22 Month
Interior Finishes : 10 Months - 22 Months
External Development : 10 months - 22 Months
Final Testing Commissioning 22 month - 24 Month

Please suggest the needful

Samer Zawaydeh
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Dear Vishnu,

You need to read your Bill of Quantities.

In addition to the advice that Mike gave, I would recommend that you site down with your Construction Team and agree on a Level 1: Milestones.

Give us some description about the hospital, and I am sure you will get more hints.

With kind regards,

Samer
Mike Testro
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Hi Vishnu

A hospital is the most complex MEP project with many systems to be accounted for individually.

The interfaces are the same as those for less complex installations.

The rules are simple and should be applied to each system - if there are 20 AHU’s then 20 systems should be programmed.

When the structure is ready you can:

1. Run the horizontals - Ducts - Pipes - Cable trays.
2. Erect the risers - same order
3. Place the main piece of kit
4. Make connections
5. Place the outlet piece of kit

When the ceiling grids and raised floor grids and service tiles are in place you can make high and low level connections

When the static tests have been completed the field tiles can be set in place.

Vertical drops are usually contained behind a backboard with outlest for each bed point.

For utility areas such as kitchens and toilets the usual sequence is used.

Operating theatres are usually a specialist task who will require a bare shell to work in and leave it complete.

That should be enough to be going on with.

Best regards

Mike Testro.
Vishnu Kant Mishra
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Thank you sir...today I have a meeting with the service contractor and shall update here with the outcome of meeting..
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Hi vishnu ,discussion about the same topic is discussed in some of the threads ,check it up it might be useful to you