Guild of Project Controls: Compendium | Roles | Assessment | Certifications | Membership

Tips on using this forum..

(1) Explain your problem, don't simply post "This isn't working". What were you doing when you faced the problem? What have you tried to resolve - did you look for a solution using "Search" ? Has it happened just once or several times?

(2) It's also good to get feedback when a solution is found, return to the original post to explain how it was resolved so that more people can also use the results.

Scope Change Incorporation in progress

21 replies [Last post]
Rizwan Rauf, PMP
User offline. Last seen 8 years 32 weeks ago. Offline
Joined: 23 Jun 2009
Posts: 19
Dear All,

I am working on Bridge/Roads projects. I just want to know that if the scope of work or quantities will be increased in the project, how would we incorporate in the progress.for example, I have original qty of excavation 110,000 cum and after the site survey, it is now 132,000 cum and i am measuring my progress on Original quantity. Until now I completed 91,000 cum, means 82.73% as per original and 68.90% as per actual total quantity. My schedule is loaded with original quantities. If I will consider as per original, it is not correct and if I will consider actual total qty, It will decrease my progress.

Kindly suggest

Rizwan Rauf

Replies

Rashid Iqbal
User offline. Last seen 1 year 38 weeks ago. Offline
Joined: 7 Apr 2010
Posts: 70
Samer,

I am working as a Planner with a General contractor. I am looking for a discussion on this subject there is no issue at hand..

R
Samer Zawaydeh
User offline. Last seen 5 years 7 weeks ago. Offline
Joined: 3 Aug 2008
Posts: 1664
Dear Rashid,

I will try to clarify the process of work, and it is up to you to make it happen depending on your environment, skills and tools, and Conditions of Contract.

The Planner has the responsibility to segregate the Contract Documents into a well definite plan to complete the works.

The Scheduler has the responsibility to create the WBS, activities, and ultimately Schedule Development.

Changes has to be reported by the Contractor and approved by the client before implementation in the Schedule submitted at the beginning of the Contract as per Contract Requirements.

Any Changes that happen which is reported by the Contractor’s Engineering, Material, Construction, Quality or Project Management Departments have to be categorized, monitored against Contractual Quantities and submitted to the Client as per COC.

Now, if you identify where you are in the above process, I can assist you more.

With kind regards,

Samer
Rashid Iqbal
User offline. Last seen 1 year 38 weeks ago. Offline
Joined: 7 Apr 2010
Posts: 70
Samer,

Thanks for the reply but buddy you have missed my question entirely..

Regards
Rashid
Samer Zawaydeh
User offline. Last seen 5 years 7 weeks ago. Offline
Joined: 3 Aug 2008
Posts: 1664
Dear Rashid,

Of course the changes in scope must be dealt with as per the Conditions of Contract. If you are using FIDIC, then two conditions MUST take place in order to consider a change;

1. Change in Quantity over 20%
2. Change in Contract amount by over 1%.

If your COC permits your to make changes to the unit price of the individual BOQ items that exceeds these two above conditions for example, then you need to submit this Variation as a change order (excusable and compensable) to your Engineer and Client for approval. Subsequently, you will change the Schedule to reflect the new unit prices according to the approved unit price analysis.

With kind regards,

Samer
Rashid Iqbal
User offline. Last seen 1 year 38 weeks ago. Offline
Joined: 7 Apr 2010
Posts: 70
Samer,

For example if the increase in quantities is not excusable and or compensable ….will you suggest that this change should be incorporated in the schedule?

If No how would you support your stance. thanks.
Samer Zawaydeh
User offline. Last seen 5 years 7 weeks ago. Offline
Joined: 3 Aug 2008
Posts: 1664
Dear Rashid,

I will help you to the extent that I understood from your email.

Senario 1:
Scope Changes that are non compensable and non excusable: Say changing the patterns of tiling in the Issued for Construction Drawings BEFORE the Contractor prepared the Construction drawings. No harm done, no cost associated with the preparation of the drawings, no change to the schedule.

Scenario 2:
Say changing the patterns of tiling in the Issued for Construction Drawings AFTER the Contractor prepared the Construction drawings.
The activity of shop drawings preparation and approval is complete. The client changes the design pattern. Contractor can submit an estimate of the actual manpower spent on the project, and you add another activity called revised pattern design drawings with the new resources and durations and run the Schedule and see what happens.

Planner can collect the data for manpower, material and submit it to the project manager for claim submittal (Extra Cost).

With kind regards,

Samer
Rashid Iqbal
User offline. Last seen 1 year 38 weeks ago. Offline
Joined: 7 Apr 2010
Posts: 70
Sameer,


….sure enough approval of a change is dependent on the type of the contract but….

such a change has to be incorporated in the current schedule so to ensure the accuracy of % completions and earned hour. Earned hours when pulled out of schedule should be worth comparing with the burnt hrs. And in your scenario the budgeted hours are to be revised for the correct calculation of earned hours.

Scenario 1:

There is a change in quantities; let’s assume the contractor considers this change as non-compensable and non-excusable. Cost control will generate a non-scope trend to make an adjustment to their revised budgets. The trend will be internal which means that the contractor will bear the loss. Once the cost guys have changed their baseline you have to make the changes in the current schedule for the revised quantities and man-hours.

Scenario 2:
And for the discussion sake I will leave the explanation for the second scenario for someone else

What the scheduler should do if the management want to pursue this change as compensable and excusable…..then what?

Thanks looking forward to your comments.


R
Samer Zawaydeh
User offline. Last seen 5 years 7 weeks ago. Offline
Joined: 3 Aug 2008
Posts: 1664
Dear Rizwan,

I hope that your question is answered to your satisfaction.

Dear Mike,

You are correct. It depends on the Contract type:

a. Lump sum; no changes are accepted if the drawings are not changed.

b. Unit rate: Changes (+ or -) are issued when the execution of each quantity/activity is complete. Idealy, you need to issue a revised baseline (revised approved schedule). Because the new changes will affect the rest of the activities.

c. Cost Plus: Same as B.

Dear Vladimir,
Thank you for your kind confirmation.

With kind regards,

Samer
Rizwan Rauf, PMP
User offline. Last seen 8 years 32 weeks ago. Offline
Joined: 23 Jun 2009
Posts: 19
Dear All,

As this is a UNIT RATE Contract, when quantities will change, it will result in a change order. As my BOQ quantities are estimated and are being finalized after shop drawing approvals by owner/consultant. These quantitiy changes will be continued until all shop drawings will be approved.

This is a Bridge Project and shop drawings are being prepared step by step, starting from substructure to superstructur.

Thanks & Best Regards,

Rizwan Rauf

Safak Vural
User offline. Last seen 3 years 44 weeks ago. Offline
Joined: 12 May 2008
Posts: 117
Dear Rizwan,

If there is no dedicated variation order or site instruction, you are over claiming the progress. The situation can occur directly mistakes from quantity surveying. The most softly solution without confusing or annoying the managers:

• You shall notice the activities effecting from scope change
• You shall use latest total budgeted quantity to calculate the progress. (You shall not change the quantities in approved Schedule or Progress Measurement System)
• My recommendation is using a “Forecasted Quantity” and “Forecasted Manhour” in schedule and PMS.
• You will use baseline quantities and manhours for any progress (%) measuring purposes (earned values). You shall prepare a commodity report from “Forecasted Quantities”
• If you over progressed, do not claim ½ of the periodical progress of week until you catch up real progress for over claimed activities.
• Important point is to be systematic. First conclude the situation between planning teams of CLIENT-CONTRACTOR. This could ease the acceptance of the change.
• So you are producing a % based progress which is systematic and showing the trends of the project and a commodity report that is showing actual quantities achieved at site.
• You can use “Forecasted Quantities” and “Forecasted Manhours” for projection studies requested by managers, cost dep., material departments etc..

“Management of Change” and “Progress Measurement System” procedures, at the start of project shall be prepared with solutions to all kinds of points as above. Unfortunately, both CLIENT s and CONTRACTOR s do not want to see any points or problems at the start of the project especially in procedures or project control documents.

Regards

Safak VURAL
Mike Testro
User offline. Last seen 4 weeks 5 days ago. Offline
Joined: 14 Dec 2005
Posts: 4418
Hi All

I repeat - an increase in quantity is not necessarily a change order or a variation.

Check what your contract says.

Best regards

Mike Testro
Yes, it depends on the contract.
Does anybody argue?
Best Regards,
Vladimir
If you will enter new quantities in Spider Project schedule activity durations will be recalculated and at any moment you will have a report on all additional works (quantities, time, costs). But I agree with Samer - don’t forget about change orders.
Best Regards,
Vladimir
Samer Zawaydeh
User offline. Last seen 5 years 7 weeks ago. Offline
Joined: 3 Aug 2008
Posts: 1664
Dear Rizwan,

My opinion is that if you have an approved schedule, then you need to continue updating your approved schedule. If you have over or under quantities, then you monitor them in a change order (excel for starters). If you must complete the extra quantities, then you can monitor the effect on the approved schedule by adding an activity called "extra excavation works" and load the activity with the resources and the actual duration and submit the impact to your client for time extension (if any).

Once you know that you have extra or reduced quantities for any BOQ item, you need to inform your project management team to tell the client about it. Once the event is complete, you inform the client with the cost and time impact.

With kind regards,

Samer
Rizwan Rauf, PMP
User offline. Last seen 8 years 32 weeks ago. Offline
Joined: 23 Jun 2009
Posts: 19
Dear Samer,

I quoted an example of Excavation works.i.e., Original Qty:110,000 cum and actual total Qty: 132,000 cum according to site survey. If I will consider my progress relative to original Qty and when I will complete my progress upto original qty (110,000 cum), then, It will show 100% activity completed, which is not the real case,as changed total Qty is 132,000cum.

Kindly give your opinion.

Thanks & Best Regards,

Rizwan Rauf
Samer Zawaydeh
User offline. Last seen 5 years 7 weeks ago. Offline
Joined: 3 Aug 2008
Posts: 1664
Dear Rizwan,

This is a standard issue in each Contract. The increase in quantity is considered a change wether at the start or at the end of the Contract. Each change must be verified, explained, and approved by the Client.

Your question is about showing it in progress. After reaching the 100% you can show it as additional works activity, that will require resources and needs duration. It might have a cost impact as per COC as Mike said. And you can report the time impact after the completion of the event. Your project manager has to issue a notification to the client that the quantities has increased as per the Change Orders clauses in Conditions Of Contract.

With kind regards,

Samer
Rizwan Rauf, PMP
User offline. Last seen 8 years 32 weeks ago. Offline
Joined: 23 Jun 2009
Posts: 19
Dear Shahul,

You are right that I have justification of increased quantities, but top management will see the reduced progress after including the Change Orders, they will never accept it as they don’t want to see these things in detail and will doubt on our project measurement method. As this may not happen only in excavation activity, but for further works like concrete/Rebars etc as well.

Rizwan Rauf
Rafael Davila
User offline. Last seen 22 hours 29 min ago. Offline
Joined: 1 Mar 2004
Posts: 5229
If you had 500,000cm of Cut to Fill and 300,000cm of Borrow Fill and now you got 600,000cm of cut suitable for fill then you most probably got 600,000cm of Cut to Fill and 200,000cm of Borrow Fill, now you don’t have to bring as much from the borrow pit, but don’t tell the Owner’s rep if a fixed price contract.
Mike Testro
User offline. Last seen 4 weeks 5 days ago. Offline
Joined: 14 Dec 2005
Posts: 4418
Hi Rizwan

If the quantity increases then the duration will increase also.

Check your form of contract to see what are the limits of minimum increase. (Note a changed volume is not necessarily a variation)

You will probably find that the increase will have changed your average mass haul so a unit rate change might be possible.

Check your new acceptable fill quantities against available fill volumes and see if there is any extra disopsal.

If you are finding more unacceptable material there may be an increase in imported fill.

Check all the angles to find your true entitlement.

Best regards

Mike Testro
Rafael Davila
User offline. Last seen 22 hours 29 min ago. Offline
Joined: 1 Mar 2004
Posts: 5229
Rizwan,

Usually Road jobs are done under unit price contract, if amount changed you better show changed amount.

Let the PM worry about Contract adjustments with regard to Cost and Duration. Yes even unit price contracts do have an estimated total cost amount, unit prices might be changed/re-negotiated if the total amount varies by a certain percentage over/under estimated amount.

Best regards,
Rafael
Shah. HB
User offline. Last seen 18 weeks 1 day ago. Offline
Joined: 25 Nov 2008
Posts: 773
Hi Rizwan

Truth is bitter, it is better to display the true facts always since you have justification you could be quite confident to argue