They’re always looking in Albert in the tar sands anywhere from $60.00 to $95.00/hr plus $3,000.00 to $5,000.00 LOA.

or even better $800 a day as a consultant!!

who said it was bechtel keep on trying

if i had any feelings i would be very upset at your no offence remarks,

become a contractor and get two grand a week working for a stupid american company like me
ha ha ha h a

"Its b***dy shocking" ... so’s your arithmetic

By the way after a thrilling week rebuilding Asia its now Friday and I have the half day tommorrow to look forward too before my day and a half weekend interfering with Hong Kong retail stores.
Such is the life of an overworked planner

Brad
Must remember not to use the railways when Im next in the UK
However why dont you buy the coke at Tescos?

Groupies are a division of the structure contained in the WBS, often they are abbrieviated
Simiarly drugs are a further subdivison such as
xxxx Which contains the project code
then e
or LSD
Etc etc

as for anything to do with your nether regions and such like I have no idea
However I have wondered why certain project managers appear to relish the thought of sharing their colonic irrigation at progress meetings,
It must come with the territory
as often I see them loosening their belt when they wish to get a particuarly difficult point across especially when the basis for the discussion is something they know nothing about

That is I guess why they do not wish to be planners who as we all know are extremely well versed in graphically demonstrating their lack of knowledge.

Interesting to note that when questioned as to what makes a good engineer the new project Director for Balfour Beatty Carrillion on the cross rail link said its not management plans or all that bullshit its experience and gut knowledge hear hear

Well not so gut of course if that went the way of the enama

I find nothing helps me get through the day like a good old fashioned heroin enema.

...and here’s me labouring under the evident, misapprehension that "groupies" were things that one did with the activities in P3.

for the drugs and the groupies

It only happened by chance. I started drafting bar charts manually for a Planner and I thought i know planning already.

When I applied for another job in an agency, the only vacant slot is for the Planner / Scheduler. Luck brings me in because it happens that the interviewer is not really a Planner. I draw a beautiful bar chart in front of him (which I never understand at that time) and thats it!

But until now I never felt like I was one.

Hi James,

Sorry to disagree with you but planning is an integral part of managing. The manager who can’t plan, can’t manage it really is that basic.

Louis Allen says that management consists of four functions, Planning, Organising, Leading and Controlling. Henri Fayol says five, Planning, Organising, Coordinating, Commanding and Controlling. But that’s just by-the-by.

You switched Andrew’s original proposition round, so I’m guessing that at some time you’ve come across a manager or managers who couldn’t plan the proverbial booze-up in a brewery. If that’s the case, how good was he or she at the other management functions? Again I’m guessing, but probably not much use at any of them, so that person wasn’t really a manager at all.

If we now take a look at our planner, it’s obvious from the name that they plan, using information which they have to collate and organise, providing a lead to the people who supply them with that information and controlling the issue of plans, schedules, feedback etc..

Suddenly we find that, as far as information is concerned, our planner isn’t just planning, but organising, leading and controlling as well. The planner must in some respects be a manager, just as the manager must in some respects be a planner.

A bit simplistic maybe, but basically correct I think.

Chris Oggham

Hello to All PP

I want to become a planner because it is the natural things to do:

I plan the life I wanted to be (carreer planners)

I plan my study time during colleages (study plan)

I plan how to excel in all types of test (testing plan)

I plan how to conquer the girsl and get the girl sweet yes 1-4-3 (means I LOVE YOU) - (girl relationship plan)

I plan my wedding (wedding planner)

I plan my family including the number of kids, when to make ?!^%(family planning)

I plan my expenditures, cash-in/cash out, cash flow (financial planning)

I plan my vacation (vacation planning)

I plan how to survive in this harsh environment (environmental planning)

I will populate this thread, it is good to know planning exist as long as homo sapiens - human live.

Cheers,

Charlie

How about??

Those who can --------MANAGE
Those who cant--------PLAN