Clive,

You’re absolutely right. Management and Leadership should be completely integrated otherwise neither of them works effectively. Management without Leadership becomes manipulation, paper-shuffling and bureaucracy. Leadership without Management becomes self-indulgence and dictatorship.

Charlie made a point that management thoughts change but leadership is always with us, and that’s true to a certain extent, but management thoughts aren’t management. At its simplest, management is making sure that the people you’re managing have the resources and support they need to do the job, then getting the hell out of the way so they can get on and do it. For that to be truly effective, though, someone has to show them a vision, an inspiration and an example, which is where leadership comes in.

Management and leadership both are essential to maximise success.

Chris

Hello,

I’ll be on Leadership.

Leadership was with mankind as old as man himself.

Scientific approach to management thoughts is the product of the twenty centtury. Management idea gave only broad understanding of the functioning of an organization: corporation, government services, construciton, military organization.

But it is leadership that will save the day.

In construction, an individual lacking in leadership will always complain, make alibi on why he cannot achieved, etc.

On the other hand, an individual with leadership skills got can do attitude, he can attain his objective and bulldoze his way to ensure what is expected of him to accomplish will become a reality.

Management thoughts will change, but, leadership will always be with us, human.

Cheers,

Charlie

Hi Guys,

Demetrius is absolutely right when he says "one needs the other to succeed". Which is why a lot of management theorists say that leadership is part of the management function. I’m not so sure that it need be integrated quite so tightly, but managers certainly do need to exhibit some leadership charactaristics, if only by setting an example.

Chris Oggham

Rami
I like that very much
I hope that the difference in the word "right" translates well
Clive

Dear Norzul,

i believe u mean developing ’leaders’ and not people. However, i can’t buy on ’ownership’. Thats the intrinsic hallmark of any profesisonal. How can u define leadership on that basis?

Hi Norzul,

That`s a good question. I always reckoned Lao Tzu was right.

The Best Rulers

Of the best rulers,
The people only know that they exist;
The next best they love and praise
The next they fear;
And the next they revile.
When they do not command the people’s faith,
Some will lose faith in them,
And then they resort to oaths!
But of the best when their task is accomplished,
Their work done,
The people all remark, “We have done it ourselves.”

Lao-Tzu
Chinese philosopher
6th century BC

Just substitute Leader for Ruler.

Regards

Chris Oggham

Leadership is actually developing and nuturing an environment in which others can self-actualise in accomplishing their goal.

Leadership has three facets:

i) Accomplishing the mission
ii) Motivation
iii) Nurturing new leaders

Hi Guys,

I found this discussion quite interesting as it highlights some of the current thinking on management which is not necessarily correct. If we take the definition of management given by Louis Allen, management consists of:


Planning
Organising
Leading
Controlling


This is similar to the definition proposed by Henri Fayol, where management consists of:


Prévoyance (Planning)
Organisation (Organising)
Coordination (Coordinating)
Commandement (Directing)
Contrôl (Controlling)


From these two at least we see that a managers must also be leaders, or they`re not doing the job properly.

There is a pretty good article about management and leadership which you can get to from the link below.

Is "Leadership" Contrary to Good "Management"?

Thanks for making me look at this again.

Chris Oggham

Hello Norzul

As defined in some dictionaries: Leadership is the act of leading or the ability to lead; while Management is the manner of treating, directing, or administering somthing...

they may have various differences in functions but they both can exist in any individual...

Cheers!

Christian