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Management vs Leadership?

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Clive Randall
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Charlie
Surely leadership and management rely on each other
A leader must have managers to make it happen
A sheperd leads his dog and the dog manages the sheep
One with out the other and the sheep go everywhere
Clive
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Hello,

I’ll be on Leadership.

Leadership was with mankind as old as man himself.

Scientific approach to management thoughts is the product of the twenty centtury. Management idea gave only broad understanding of the functioning of an organization: corporation, government services, construciton, military organization.

But it is leadership that will save the day.

In construction, an individual lacking in leadership will always complain, make alibi on why he cannot achieved, etc.

On the other hand, an individual with leadership skills got can do attitude, he can attain his objective and bulldoze his way to ensure what is expected of him to accomplish will become a reality.

Management thoughts will change, but, leadership will always be with us, human.

Cheers,

Charlie

Jerry Alivio
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Hello! Norzul,

I fully...Agree!!

Regards,

Jerry
Norzul Ibrahim
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7 Habits of Highly Effective People by Covey
1) Proactive
2) Begins with the end in minds
3) Put First Thing First
4) Think Win-Win
5) Seek First to understand then to be understood
6) Synergize
7) Sharpen the saw
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Hello There,

Most of you are absolutely right, Hi! Norzul long time no see...since in Finland..

Management and Leadership are totally different in views but same focus " Project Delivery on Target".

Have you been through a Conpany or a Project whereby "There’s a Lot of Chiefs, not Enough Indians".

Joking side.

Jerry
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Hi Guys,

Demetrius is absolutely right when he says "one needs the other to succeed". Which is why a lot of management theorists say that leadership is part of the management function. I’m not so sure that it need be integrated quite so tightly, but managers certainly do need to exhibit some leadership charactaristics, if only by setting an example.

Chris Oggham
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I would say it’s the same difference between "organizing" and "directing".

Management deals on "how things are done or should be done" while Leadership deals on "what are the things that need to be done".

So one needs the other to succeed.
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Rami
I like that very much
I hope that the difference in the word "right" translates well
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Rami Al Haddad
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I read in the book "the seven habits of highly effective people" by Stephen R. Covey’s a simple and nice destinction between management and leadership... the author suggests that;
management is the art of getting things done the right way while leadership is the art of geeting people to do the right things!!!

i hope this helps,

cheers...
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Dear Norzul,

i believe u mean developing ’leaders’ and not people. However, i can’t buy on ’ownership’. Thats the intrinsic hallmark of any profesisonal. How can u define leadership on that basis?
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In our company leadership is defined to have 4 dimensions:
1) Develop people
2) Inspire people
3) Outperform
4) Ownership
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Hi Norzul,

That`s a good question. I always reckoned Lao Tzu was right.

The Best Rulers

Of the best rulers,
The people only know that they exist;
The next best they love and praise
The next they fear;
And the next they revile.
When they do not command the people’s faith,
Some will lose faith in them,
And then they resort to oaths!
But of the best when their task is accomplished,
Their work done,
The people all remark, “We have done it ourselves.”

Lao-Tzu
Chinese philosopher
6th century BC

Just substitute Leader for Ruler.

Regards

Chris Oggham
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In this new challenging environment I believe the right leadership is of utmost important for any company to survive and sustain the progress.

What is the right leadership?
Devamalya De
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Leadership is actually developing and nuturing an environment in which others can self-actualise in accomplishing their goal.

Leadership has three facets:

i) Accomplishing the mission
ii) Motivation
iii) Nurturing new leaders
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Hi

I also feel, As Norzul Ibhrim said, managment deals with things. Management knowledge can be used to translate the vision, goals to detailed activities. We can also develop systems but Management does not focus on the people who really work to achieve the goals.

I feel Leadership clearly gives appropriate motivation at right time for the individual to putforth afforts in achieving the organisation goals.

Nelson Mandela, Gandhi achieved freedom for their Countries with leadership.
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Hi Guys,

I found this discussion quite interesting as it highlights some of the current thinking on management which is not necessarily correct. If we take the definition of management given by Louis Allen, management consists of:


Planning
Organising
Leading
Controlling


This is similar to the definition proposed by Henri Fayol, where management consists of:


Prévoyance (Planning)
Organisation (Organising)
Coordination (Coordinating)
Commandement (Directing)
Contrôl (Controlling)


From these two at least we see that a managers must also be leaders, or they`re not doing the job properly.

There is a pretty good article about management and leadership which you can get to from the link below.

Is "Leadership" Contrary to Good "Management"?

Thanks for making me look at this again.

Chris Oggham

Devamalya De
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Management is the art of getting work done with others. While Leadership is about providing direction, ideally proactively, showing the path, blazing a new one in the face of all odds, inspiring and keeping the moral high even when the chips are down.

My conviction is Proactiveness is the steeping stone to great leadership. If you are not proactive, you are actually eliciting response from others in order to react which means you are being lead by others.
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Hello Norzul

As defined in some dictionaries: Leadership is the act of leading or the ability to lead; while Management is the manner of treating, directing, or administering somthing...

they may have various differences in functions but they both can exist in any individual...

Cheers!

Christian