Yes, I beieve the leadership plays an important role in management.

When I wrote the blog on the The Leader Role in Agile Transformation, I found that managers to cooperate on the transformation with three common ways to begin transformation:

• System: the current work frame and the value of the organization. Build a cross-functional team, first focus on value and flow, and then change the practice and culture.
• Culture: the team mentality and thinking will change the structure and practice of the system.
• Practice: the method, the tool set or the framework, and then the institutional structure and culture will change accordingly.

You can read it more HERE.

Thank you.

Gordon,

Take no notice, mate. Nobody else does, just remember Charlie’s had a sense of humour bypass, so he doesn’t understand one-liners and throwaway remarks. Happy New year to you too.

Chris

Alex, you’re on drugs,

as in drug A#$ict or depe$%#t=t.

Commomn men, don’t e too honest here in PP.

You seem to be one of the sensible planner here in PP.

Brad,

You should be a Comic Writer not a planner, sure you don’t feel bored...;>

Joking side..

Only 16 years

Brad,
To be honest to you, I think you knew this; That all Planners on Earth experienced a Negative Variances in progress. That is why there is what we called (PRA)- Project Risks Analysis.

Regards,

what do we have here jerry a, some kind of hero who only works on successful projects, well bully for you, come and work in uk for some of the companies i have worked for and you will be sorry mate, you try and bore bore do the right thing boring boring planning aaaarrrrggggghhhhh!!!!!!111

where i work it is called lack of progress meeting, i sit there and say that we have not achieved the work planned and we are now 2 months behind, i dont say silly things like how are we going to pull back the slippage as they dont know themselves, oh joy never mind payday tom

very good. whats that just goona drop some more happy pills whilst i go into a progress meeting, boreiinngggg

if your all so bored of planning may i suggest a different career path!!! or is the money so good you dont mind the boredom, which is why i am writing this and not doing my work snnoooozzzeee!!!!

How about the English word ’stupendous’

ahh... it’s a bit like ’our tune’ with Simon Bates

sorry folks, english radio reference

yes yes
planning is boring
now ive said it
maybe i will say it in 10 different languages just to prove that im capable of saying boring.
However
the idea of discussing the greater areas of life is to me essential for planners. This ensures we have a wider perspective on life and are able to fix our location in the world. After all if we only talk about planning, and love planning and all the other BS we would become mad and insular.

To answer your book comment Carmen, I would suggest Ishmael. Its a book best read on holiday and I feel must be read at least twice.

Deleting emails about this thread is starting to get boring now.

This website should change name to ’Lonely’PlannersPlanet.com

Carmen,

I confirm I say "Si" in espanol

"YES" in the universal language

Cheers,
Sensei
Successful Project Management Consultant

Clive,

Charlie jumping to conclusions? Surely not? It’s simply because he doesn’t read the other posts in the thread. I seem to recall that you explained to him once before your antededents, I suppose he must have missed it.

Chris

Charlie


There you go again, jumping to conclusions imagining Im English and a gentleman

tut tut

Now the red was the start of the evening.
I am not one to adhere to the addage of not mixing grain with grape.

I would welcome a discussion on all matters not related to planning allthough one on the man woman thing could lead to the same result as discussing polotics.

As to Charlie sitting at the table sipping milk, I have no issues with this as long as he promises to be non violent towards my delicate personage.

Discussion topics,
1. The best places to see sunsets
2. The funniest job we ever worked on
3. Project management a double entendre
4. Great train journeys
5. South America because I have not been there

G’day all,
Interesting discussion, (not the least of which is Amsterdam).

I always think of Leadership as "The ability to instil in others the will to want to follow." i.e be led.

I think it is a key component of a good manager, but a good leader may not be a good manager.

I see people every day, whom their employees really enjoy working for, but their departments are just not achieving the results.

Other depts have great results but the people are being "managed" to achieve that and are less satisfied than others.

Hello Charles,

Appreciate if you can give me an idea of who is Carmen...hhmm just pretty curious to know...is it Carmen Electra?...

Leadership & Management... for me they are the driver in all aspects in business.

Cheers,

Hi! Carmen,

I am Jerry...;>

Regards

Charlie and Clive,

I am most interested in meeting both on the same table. But If someone who admires General McArthur can not sit together with someone who’s his dream leader is Margaret Tatcher, I would love having a separate dates with each.

Charlie,

I would love talking with you about leadership in a Man’s world of Construction Project (as you mentioned on post #33) . It is not about woman’s place in this world, It is about understanding the scandal associated to a BP executive who resigned from BP after admitting lying over affair with gay lover. Here, there is an example of 41 years of career in a male business in one of the TOP 3 Oil Companies. Was he a leader ?? being gay.

Cheers,
Carmen

Clive,

Dont mess with Carmen,

She is >>>>>> ehem.

I hope you understand or we will end up with some exercise.

I’m a big fan of Jackie Chan.

Cheers,

Charlie

As a devoted follower

I am more interested in meeting Carmen in Amsterdam, Roma, Paris or Brussels

Given any say in the matter I would prefer Roma in the Spring

Besides I need to go back to throw some cash in the Trevi

A little light relief, some pasta, a good bottle of red wine and an afternoon spent watching the comings and goings on the Spanish steps, seems far more appealing than a critical path or delayed impact anaylsis.

But as Charlie is wont to say, I am but a shadow of my former self. Such, I would add is the truth, but a mighty shadow with many a tune in it I would still add.

Ciao

PS Mr Bodoli needs to attend as does Mr Flowerdew. Bodoli because he appears fluent in Italian and Flowerdew because he seems like a jolly good bloke. Also required is auntie Gwen and the general slappers from Aberdeen.

Just a thought.

Hi guys,

One question: Is it true that leaders are born or developed? Nature or nurture?

Regards,

Ed

god knows but am sure someone will think of something, cant think of anything worse than a room full of people who do the same job talking about it, its like when you work on a project and there is one planner but 8 commercial people all twiterting on about costs and things

aarrrggghhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Carmen

Glad you agree that could all get these issues of there chests or slap each other about, having worked in amsterdam maybe go to some cafe smoke a funny cigarette and everyone can chill out,

he he

i thing there should be a planning planet members get together then you can all meet face to face and share your views on everything and anything , now that would be fun no!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Charlie,

There aren’t many times you’re right, and this certainly isn’t one of them. In your post #55 you said that you would explain with a hypothetical case, you didn’t do that.

What you did do was mis-state the functions of management, just so there is no mistake I’ll list them for you:

Planning
Organising
Commanding
Coordinating
Controlling
Henri Fayol

Planning
Organising
Leading
Controlling
Louis Allen

You then went on to make a statement that what would separate one from the other in the delivery of projects was leadership. What utter tosh!

In case you hadn’t noticed, Leadership is an integral function of management. Leadership styles vary, some managers are better at it than others, but you have, as always, offered no evidence to support your assertion. In this instance I do not believe that there is any evidence that could be offered. In support of that assertion I offer the following:

Management principles still are the same. It is just that the tools have changed. You still find the right people to do the work and get out of the way so they can do it.

You’ll find it in Gerry Madden’s 100 Rules for NASA Project Managers, it’s rule 3 in the Project Manager section.

Strangely enough he doesn’t have much to say about leadership, the nearest he comes to it is in rule 9 in the same section:

The boss may not know how to do the work but he has to know what he wants. The boss had better find out what he expects and wants if he doesn’t know. A blind leader tends to go in circles.

In other words if the project manager doesn’t understand what is needed, it doesn’t matter how charismatic he is, how many rousing speeches he makes, how gallantly he is prepared to die for his project, the only place he’s going to lead it is right into the toilet.

You then give one of your more ridiculous generalising platitudes about leadership prevailing and making a lot of difference; what, precisely, is it going to prevail against?

Charlie, you really are full of it.

Chris Oggham

Please all don’t mix biblical stories with Planning planet, it is not the place to discuss such things.

Sexual orientation shouldn’t affect your judgment whether a planner/project manager will do a good job or not, it simply doesn’t has a relationship with the management/leadership issues.

IMHO sexual orientation should be a matter of ethics/morals/culture, it differs from place to another and absolutely shouldn’t be discussed herein.

Racism also defines a person who is narrow minded, ignorant and wrong, We are all human beings.
People should be judged by the contents of their minds (As Dr. Martin Luther King said).
One who believes in supremacy of race against other is mistaken both ethically and scientifically.

Karim

I think he was talking about me Gerome...

Charley darling, I didn’t threaten you. A threat is an if/then statement. I simply stated an (albeit anecdotal) statistic.

I am not a moderator or you would have already heard about it. As such, please feel free to go on spouting your bigotted views in an (I have to admit somewhat successful) attempt to get noticed. Even though I wish you would not.

who were Soddam and Gammorah ... a band?

There is a large school of thought that Abraham Lincoln was inclined to be shall we say a little stiff around men.
He I presume Charlie you consider to be a great leader. Thomas Jefferson was clearly tempted by the darker fruits of the vine and in his day would have been considered totally unacceptable.

Lincoln was not on his own in the presidential ranks either, Buchanan and King also had a hard time in the locker room.

However I digress Charlie, where ever did you get the idea that being homosexual affects the ability to plan. Are you from the Victorian school of thought that such actions are inherantly depraved, possibly a thought that was beaten into your defencless person by a fanatically frustrated priest.

I have no wish to remember Soddom and as for Gamorah what am I to do.

Charlie in you imitable style you have attemted to lead the shrieking hoardes down this gay bashing trial but I feel the comments are clear, real planners are not biggots and respect the opinions and inclinations of others, even if they dont agree with them.

And as a parting words to leave this issue and move on the the main issue of this thread: LEADERSHIP

Some leaders of the world today or some royal of the world today may not be able to say this

BUT I HAVE THIS TO SAY:

REMEMBER SODOM AND GOMORRAH

Charlie

What can I say that has not already been said about you comments.

Note to self

Words to be studied preferably with a dictionary

1) Tolerance
2) Homo Sapien
3) Tansvestite

Gerome,

I totally agree with your post, I wish I could have put it that well.

Charlie’s views seem to be becoming more extreme, but Planning Planet is not the place for them to be expressed. Charlie complains about a supposed attempt to impose UK standards on other countries, where is this happening then? As far as I can see the only person attempting impose standards is Charlie, and what narrow-minded, bigoted standards they are.

Chris Oggham

HI Jerry,

I’m doing fine. How about you??

We do have to look at the past, specially leader (the subject of this post). This is because the present day leaders are not really solving the problems. This is evident in the project they manage at the same time lead. They can be judged past the events that took place, the how, why, etc., etc.,....

With respect to hitting the belt, actually in some culture Homo Sapien or Transvites are not accepted. They are discriminated and this is very true. It is wrong to say the truth here in PP.

In UK, they accept this abnormal behavior, for example SIR ELTON JOHN. And UK standard cannot be imposed on other countries in accepting abnormal behaviour human behaviour.

When I was in Malaysia, I got lost in Jalan Chokit. I saw this girl with skirt, nice body telling me Hi. When I look at her/she/he, she/he got ADAM’s apple. I have to run.

But I was told the story about Sodom and Gomorah, so I cannnot involve with this kind of activities and I always maintain a respectable distance with this kind of people.

It is up to planning planet if I will be remove because I’m telling the truth.

Cheers,

Sensei
Successful Project Management Consultant

McArthur a Philippine hero? I don’t think so. Yes he did promise that he shall return so he did. With McArthur or without McArthur, the Americans will return to the Philippines because the Americans needed to clear the way going to Tokyo and to protect Australia. This is the same reason why they they pulverized first the Japs in Papua New Guinea, Iwo Jima, the Philippines and other small islands and also to minimize as much as possible American casualties. The strategy is not to engage the enemy in front and at the back at the same time.

IMHO,
Se

Hello Charlie,

How are you, hope your’re doing well. Your Post#33 a bit hitting below the Belt, you know there are some of our Co-members might be hit. Please try to be considerable.

This Forum i think is not meant for History this is meant for today and tomorrow that is why we are called PLANNER.

Regards,

Jerry

Gerome
It was Hitlers inability to listen that ultimately lead to disaterous decisions in both the battle and manufacturing theatres of war in Germany

He was a good orator and lead by fear.

Again dosent make it into my top 100.

Hitler,
A scoundrel in history, but also one of the most success full leaders & managers ever in modern history.
Taking away the obvious hurt he imposed and the regime he implemented, he did have both qualities you are all talking about. Even if they were used for the wrong reasons !!!

IN addition,

General Douglas MacArthur is not an ordinary man. He was born leader.

Is leadership a born trait or can leadership be acquired??!!!

In his comeback trail to liberate Philippines, MacArthur made it a point to know tidal information of islands, this is very important because MacArthur home base was in Port Moresby, Papua New Guineau. And he envision that it will be island hopiing. Also, MacArthur made use of limited resources inventing the theory to TRIPPLE ENVELOPMENT, meaning in amphibious landing of troops, he had to use ground forces, naval forces and the air force. First time it was use considering the coordination of the uniqueness of each.

In one operation somewhere in Papua New Guinea, General MacArthur notice that the insignia of dead Japanese where the Elite Troops that concquer French Indo-China, Malaysia and Singapore. Only MachArthur graps the important meaning of this: the japanes were sending there elit forces and the amirican were decimating the elite japs troops. So the remaining troops that the american will be facing are not good troops.

This is very important in Project Control Management because it is very important to know the factors that influence the project and it is also very important for PCM to mitigate the impact of this factor, eventually the training of succesful PCM will lead effective PROJECT MANAGER.

Leadership translate to bravery and experienced

I bet on leadership.

It is the strenth of the leader that makes a lot of difference in the life of people.

I seen a lot of managers without leadership, it cause to much trouble within the work environment.

Leadership at the lower level of project construction are the leadman. This people do not have management skills. But the leadman ability to lead properly will energize his team to be productive.

Ghengis Khan was not BC he was most certainly AD (1100). I think if you read about him you will see that his ability to lead was in fact based not on fear but on ability. He was also an extraordinary inseminator which results in a huge DNA trail.

Prior to him nobody had succeded in leading the mongols who were nomadic or in conquering huge tracts of asia and eastern europe. He may have been a leader who believed in genocide on a massive scale but he is without doubt a leader who had the ability to create a military system and delegate authority. A good read if you get a chance

McArthur was a truly questionable character, not a leader to be spoken of in the same breath as Alexander of GK. For most of his life he was a failure with success coming at enormous cost to his troops, often ill planned and ill conceived. A person who believed he was a leader more than he actually was.

What I find interesting however is that management and leadership are systems that must exist throughout the organisation. From the PM down to the department managers each of which must inspire and direct down to the workface foreman who must have the same skills. That ability to lead and manage is not solely the territory of those in the biggest office.

The biggest difference between managers and leaders is the way they motivate the people who work or follow them, and this sets the tone for most other aspects of what they do.

Charlie
I write this not meaning to offend and in no way do I subscribe to the activities of the leader
The story is thus
Once upon a time a small austrian decided he wanted to rule a major country he was a good speaker and manipulator of both fear and favour but he was not a manager. However he attracted excellent managers who detailed and recorded their attrocoties.
In this case it can be clearly seen that the two activities are mutually inclusive.
Leadership and management have to go together
I agree with Chris

Hi Jerry,

I still bet on Leadership that will make a lot of difference in our life. An effective leader generarlly applies the fundamental of management function: Planning, Organizing, Implementing and Control/monitoring.

An effective leader may not realize that he was using the fundamenatal of management function in achieving goals, however the fact that the leader was effective, it follows that the leader used management function instinctively.

Are we aware that each and everyone of us got leadership instinct that help us save the day and help us also to move forward?

We will start to evaluate ourselves and then we will move forward and come up with the conclusion that LEADERSHIP IS BETTER THAN MANAGEMENT.

Cheers,

charlie