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Primavera P6 - Which Software Package?

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Louise Paine
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Hi, I’ve seen threads for P3 and P5 showing differences in packages, but not for P6 - apologies if I’ve missed it.
Can someone therefore tell me the main differences between the packages Oracle provides (bearing in mind I’m new to Primavera and used to Powerproject and MS Project - yes, yes I know)
I work in Construction, should I get Suretrak? Would that be too limiting? so do I need Contractor? PPM? ePPM?

What would you recommend in short please apart from obvious price?

Thanks very much for your help.

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Rafael Davila
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http://www.oracle.com/us/products/applications/042508.pdf

Maybe newer versions have higher capacity, still do not like P6 but it is your choice.
Louise Paine
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Thanks Rafael and Mike, I’ll have to check to see whether we are just using the tool to report at tender stage or whether we will need to be using Primavera as a planning tool in the construction phase, if it is the latter then 1,000 would be too limiting on some of our projects.
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Hi Louise

Now you are even more confused.

To my mind not being able to do resource levelling in the software is a positive bonus.

Maybe the limitation to 1000 tasks is OK to start with.

You can upgrade to P6 when you need to.

Best regards

Mike Testro
Rafael Davila
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Primavera Contractor does not allow you to do resource leveling, just resource loading. It is also limited to fewer than 1000 activities. It was intended for subcontractors submitting their schedule portion to the General Contractor for merging this with the overall schedule, perhaps should have been called Subcontractor.

I believe the idea was abandoned by ORACLE as it was too limited.

In my opinion all versions of PowerProject as well as all versions of Spider Project are better fit to the Construction industry than any ORACLE/Primavera product.

If you wonder why so much trouble with the installation just look at the origins of P6 it was developed by another company with a targeted IT audience proficient with the intricacies of database administration and the windows registry, not for Construction people. That Primavera eventually created a mutation called P3ec "P3e for construction" was another marketing strategy latter abandoned. I believe not counting on who the user is makes P6 database implementation a bad design choice.
Louise Paine
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Thanks so much guys for your help, I’m not sure why Oracle have to make it so complicated - a simple advantages/disadvantages section on their website to help you choose between packages would work wonders.

I think I’m going to go for P6 contractor version.
Re. changing from PowerProject, it’s actually client preference led more than anything.

When I get going with P6, I’m sure they’ll be plenty more questions so please stand by!!
Mike Testro
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Hi Louise

Welcome to Planning Planet

Good luck with your switch over - I think you will find that Primavera products are not so intuitive to use as PowerProject.

Just look at the number of queries that arise on the P6 thread.

I cannot speak from personal experience because i have bought the P6 software but have not been able to install it.

If you are going to buy P6 then try the "contractor" version first (if they still do it that is).

It is similar in status to the Powerproject standalone version as against enterprise and is considerably cheaper.

Best regards

Mike Testro
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Louise,

Interpreting your question leads me to think that you are confused by the names used for Primavera’s products. Your confusion is intentionally sought by the Primavera Marketing Guys. P3 is not named that name because it is Version 3; it has always been called P3 (it stands for Primavera Project Planner.)

P5 and P6 are an entirely different software package that initially was called “Primavera for the Enterprise”. In this case, P5 was the Version 5 version and P6 was the Version 6 version of the same software. Now we pull a switch on a switch and keep the P6 name when we switched to Version 7. As I said, your confusion is intentionally sought by the Primavera Marketing Guys. It appears that the Oracle Marketing Guys are going to stick with the P6 name (at least for now.)

To answer your question about the differences between P5 and P6, one has to fist ask you do you mean P6 Version 6 or P6 Version 7? Another way to look at it would be to ask what is the difference between a 2008 Honda Civic and a summarily-equipped 2010 Honda Civic? The answer is that 99.99% of the features in the 2008 Honda Civic are still to be found in the 2010 version. Which version of the Civic should you buy (assuming that they both cost the exact same amount of money?) Go with the 2010 Civic. It is newer and has a few new features. Why would you buy a two year-old car when you can get the new one for the same price?
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Louise,

I did not discover significant difference between P3e and P6, suppose between P5 and P6 it is just about the correction of a few thousand bugs, this you can find on updates literature.

For years, we used SureTrak but found it very limited with regard to resource loading. In addition, it is incompatible with Windows 7 unless you have professional version and use virtual desktop software that becomes intrusive. I believe it is so obsolete that not even ORACLE provides support for it and there are no plans to upgrade it. It also goes with P3, too expensive for obsolete software no longer supported by ORACLE.

About P6 we tried it and found it as bad as the original P3e called similar to P3 as to attract loyal P3 users into this software. I opted for Spider Project after many years of frustration with P3e we used exclusively to draw bar charts from schedules generated by SureTrak and P3. We had no other option to use SureTrak and P3 for evaluation of the submitted schedules. It took me a whole year to identify a good and updated substitute and to my surprise, I ended up very satisfied with the choice.

Open up your mind if you still have the option for a free choice otherwise surrender to the whims of others. Suggest you explore Spider Project or even Aurora. Aurora for the case you need to use P6 but P6 engine is not good enough. I found Spider was capable of producing better results than Aurora sample job on their site. Still if you accept this limitation, Aurora cannot compensate for other resource loading functionalities not available in P6, substandard improvement but better than P6 alone. And their site has very nice Boeing and NASA photos you can use to attract clients.

Of course with activity splitting even MS Project got better results than Aurora and P6.

http://www.stottlerhenke.com/news/pr_aurora_boeing.htm

http://www.stottlerhenke.com/products/aurora/Turnaround/2009-10-01_Auror...

I do not recommend anyone critical chain and use of buffers as it fool the schedule in a similar way date constraints do. Some Early Dates are delayed by buffers making the schedule unreliable for management action. In addition, I understand critical chain use of buffers affects resource allocation in the wrong way as it distorts true available float, a metric used by resource allocation algorithms.

Best Regards,
Rafael
Hi Louise,
it is hard to answer your question without knowing your requirements.
If you will tell us why you are not satisfied with the software packages that you already used (PP and MSP) the selection will be easier.
I didn’t discover sighificant difference between P5 and P6. You can find many discussions on P6 at this forum.

Best Regards,
Vladimir