In my experience size is not important!(thats what I tell the girls anyway).
In housing projects the larger the apartment either in terms of m2 or number of rooms becomes a factor in how much labour you can get in an apartment. I tend to work on the basis of one trade only in a unit, max 2 trades ie joiner and plumber.
The apartments are fairly repetitive.
At this time we do not know what resources are available as none of the internal subcontracts have been let.
I believe that rules of thumb are very important when you cannot fully define the project/programme
you only mentioned your target number of apartments to be released but you never mentioned the size, how big are these apartments (in terms of sq.m.)? are these typical in terms of design?
calculations must be based on practicable rates, i dont believe in the rule of thumb.
check your available resources and production rates...
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Submitted by Andrew Pearce on Tue, 2007-04-24 11:17
" What I was getting at is the rate at which you can complete apartments, the snag/de snag/commission (we have heating here!)client inspection proceedures. The project I am working on will release up to 18 apartments a week for fit out based on the RC frame programme."
Was sufficient info, but for the record,
We are using the MIVAN sytem of RC Construction which is an aluminuim system producing fast production rates.
The internal fit out comprises plasterboard partition walls, screed floors with underfloor heating, timber floors, fully fitted kitchens & bathrooms.
I am primarily interested in the rate at which apartments can be completed (internal fit out) although if you have any advice as to the overall duration to fit out a 2 bed 1bathroom apartment from weathertight stage that would be useful.
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Submitted by Richard Spedding on Sat, 2007-04-21 12:49
I think that in terms of West European apartments, experience says that getting 6 apartments (say 30 rooms) per week out of each team carrying out a workfront fitting out is the maximum achievable. Thats snagged / desnagged / commissioned and accepted by the client organisation.
Therefore you will need to make sure you can get 3 teams fitting out efficiently throughout the completion period, to take on 18 apartments per week. Maybe you can incentivise them by competing with each other during the fit-out.
In UK the rate of fitting out is often determined by the developers marketing department, based on the number they can sell without impacting on the selling price, thus maximising the return to the developer.
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Submitted by Andrew Pearce on Sat, 2007-04-21 04:35
From your regular posts you seem a sound guy! What I was getting at is the rate at which you can complete apartments, the snag/de snag/commission (we have heating here!)client inspection proceedures. The project I am working on will release up to 18 apartments a week for fit out based on the RC frame programme.
By the way how is HK was there in 96/97 with BCJ on the airport - loved it!
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Submitted by Mooney Brian on Thu, 2007-04-19 17:27
I have worked on a few residential projects. I am currently working on a 440 apartment project in the UK.
Your 4 - 6 apartment completions per week seems sound. I would only consider increasing this if you had a seperate workstream ( different management & subcontract teams.)
If you were targeting 12 per week I would consider 3 workstreams @ 4 completions per week.
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In my experience size is not important!(thats what I tell the girls anyway).
In housing projects the larger the apartment either in terms of m2 or number of rooms becomes a factor in how much labour you can get in an apartment. I tend to work on the basis of one trade only in a unit, max 2 trades ie joiner and plumber.
The apartments are fairly repetitive.
At this time we do not know what resources are available as none of the internal subcontracts have been let.
I believe that rules of thumb are very important when you cannot fully define the project/programme
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19 years 1 monthRE: Rule of Thumb
you only mentioned your target number of apartments to be released but you never mentioned the size, how big are these apartments (in terms of sq.m.)? are these typical in terms of design?
calculations must be based on practicable rates, i dont believe in the rule of thumb.
check your available resources and production rates...
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24 years 4 monthsRE: Rule of Thumb
I would have thought that
" What I was getting at is the rate at which you can complete apartments, the snag/de snag/commission (we have heating here!)client inspection proceedures. The project I am working on will release up to 18 apartments a week for fit out based on the RC frame programme."
Was sufficient info, but for the record,
We are using the MIVAN sytem of RC Construction which is an aluminuim system producing fast production rates.
The internal fit out comprises plasterboard partition walls, screed floors with underfloor heating, timber floors, fully fitted kitchens & bathrooms.
I am primarily interested in the rate at which apartments can be completed (internal fit out) although if you have any advice as to the overall duration to fit out a 2 bed 1bathroom apartment from weathertight stage that would be useful.
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18 years 7 monthsRE: Rule of Thumb
Andrew / Clive
I think that in terms of West European apartments, experience says that getting 6 apartments (say 30 rooms) per week out of each team carrying out a workfront fitting out is the maximum achievable. Thats snagged / desnagged / commissioned and accepted by the client organisation.
Therefore you will need to make sure you can get 3 teams fitting out efficiently throughout the completion period, to take on 18 apartments per week. Maybe you can incentivise them by competing with each other during the fit-out.
In UK the rate of fitting out is often determined by the developers marketing department, based on the number they can sell without impacting on the selling price, thus maximising the return to the developer.
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24 years 4 monthsRE: Rule of Thumb
Hi Clive,
From your regular posts you seem a sound guy! What I was getting at is the rate at which you can complete apartments, the snag/de snag/commission (we have heating here!)client inspection proceedures. The project I am working on will release up to 18 apartments a week for fit out based on the RC frame programme.
By the way how is HK was there in 96/97 with BCJ on the airport - loved it!
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20 years 5 monthsRE: Rule of Thumb
Andrew
I have worked on a few residential projects. I am currently working on a 440 apartment project in the UK.
Your 4 - 6 apartment completions per week seems sound. I would only consider increasing this if you had a seperate workstream ( different management & subcontract teams.)
If you were targeting 12 per week I would consider 3 workstreams @ 4 completions per week.
I hope this helps
Regards
Brian
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19 years 1 monthRE: Rule of Thumb
Andrew,
I check my thumb and I see no more prints. Are you going to hire a Planner or what?
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