Dear All Its worth checking out the website at www.ptmworld.org. This is meant to assist in taking the CIOB Guide to the next step.   The idea is that this will be a repository of useful and relevant information and reference material that candidates and interested parties can refer to, as well as providing background information on the guide and associated activities, seminars and events. Regards Toby

Hi Gary

I have heard that the Lapp Dancing is popular or maybe a bit further north for the pole dancing.

Best regards

Mike Testro

Hi Gary

"Jolly" & "Norway" in the same sentence!

An oxymoron surely.

Best regards

Mike Testro

Gary
To expand on Mike’s thread; The main purpose of the working group is to establish standards of industry best practice for the management of time which will be published as a Code of Practice. It will then address training, education and certification needs for those engaged in project planning and scheduling.
Regards
Toby

To go slightly off-topic, I have just started looking into accreditation, and was going to go down the AACE’s PSP route.
What would the proposed (CIOB or other) new accreditation system offer over and above the PSP? Is the AACE/PSP not well regarded by employers?
The only drawback I’ve found with PSP is that it seems I’ll have to travel to Norway to sit the exam!

Thanks in advance for your insightful comments.

Thank very much you Ron. I’ll keep you guys updated on the results.

Cheers,

Ernesto

Hello Ron

I think it is a brilliant idea, I myself is a member of PMI and PMP as well. Since coming to UK few year ago, I was planning to join the APM, apparently I do not know anyone to endorse me. Could you point me to the right direction.

Thanks

Ernesto

Basically,

there is not need for PP to get accredited in CIOB or PMI, etc.

PP is a unique virtual world with members accredited already in pretigious organization like AACEI, PEO, PMI, SCL, etc, etc.

Their affiliations help PP make robust and meaningful virtual world becuase they enligthen us on what their organization ideas regarding planning, scheduling, forensic planning, planning carreers opportunities, etc., etc.

In this way, it offers us a wide choice, a meaningful choice of freedom to chart what ideas to pursue, what ideas give meaning to our day to day activities and

at the end of the day, when the time comes for us to share to the next generation of planning and scheduling professionals and forensic delay anlayst professional,

Then, PP is the only planet that makes it possible

Why are we doing this???? It is human instinct to survive.

So be it.

Cheers,
Happy Planning and Scheduling

Hi Toby

Fine for all Builders but what about the IT & Petro chem planners etc - will they feel at home in the CIOB?

Maybe we can sound it out tomorrow evening.

It will take time to acheive recognition - we will need a good PR operator to get the word out in the worldwide construction press.

As I have said before - all these organisations started from nowhere so why not the PP.

Best regards

Mike Testro

Hi Barry

Take a look at the thread Accreditation by Experience where I have set down a full prospectus - including setting up an accreditation committee.

There is of course the AACE route as well as the PEO and anyone is free to take that route.

Best regards

Mike Testro

Hi Ron

You wrote:

We cannot become a Profesional Body by just saying we are one.

Why not? Thats what all the others did. You have to start somewhere so why not with PP as a stand alone planning accreditation system.

Best regards

Mike Testro

Hi Toby
Yes I watched the webinar on wednesday and thought it was very useful especially for reinforcing the importance of planning and monitoring with site teams.

Keith is planning on raising the profile of planning while he is in office which is great.

Hi Guys

did any of you part take in these sessions

regards



Scheduling Traps, Pitfalls and Swindles: The Dark Side of Scheduling!
Wed., December 3, 2008 - 1:00-2:30PM EST

Session 3 of the 4-part Construction Scheduling Best Practices 2008 Webinar Series
(http://www.magnetmail.net/events/event_signup.cfm?uid=WPL_&eid=1535&mid=...)

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Series Overview

** Session 1: Project Scheduling in the 21st Century (available on CD only)
** Session 2: CPM Scheduling Best Practices (available on CD only)
** Session 3: Dec. 3 (1:00-2:30PM EST) - Scheduling Traps, Pitfalls and Swindles: The Dark Side of Scheduling
** Session 4: Dec. 10 (1:00-2:30PM EST) - Challenges and Lessons-Learned with Primavera’s Project Management Software
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Andrew,

I take your point, however I believe it rests with the origin of the material; ie was it obtained legally, was it copied from another format etc.

Copyright, in most cases, does not prohibit one from acts such as modifying, defacing, or destroying his or her own legitimately obtained copy of a copyrighted work, so long as duplication is not involved.

It’s an interesting debate, also you may be aware of booksellars on the web who offer previously owned material for resale.
After all I’m merely proposing a free lending library with no money exchanging hands.

Regard,
William.

Dave,

The usual definition of a professional body is one that has been awarded some form of recognition, usually from the state, eg in UK, it normally has been awarded a "Royal Charter". Eg Institute of Civil Engineers, similar for Mechanical, Chemical Engineers, Architects, Builders, etc, etc. That’s what defines the "professions" and distinguishes the difference between someone calling themselves for example a civil engineer and a sanitary engineer!!!

No doubt this differs around the world but it is the qualifications given out by the above type bodies that are recognised around the world by other similar bodies and most importantly, by employers.

An organisation may be a body of professionals who got together, but it’s no more than that.

That’s not to say that other bodies can not, or should not, do similar to a recognised professional body, but just because a collection of professionals in some organisation say you can put ??? letters after your name after you’ve done this and that, one has to wonder how meaningful they will be to a future employer. Without some form of formal recognition of the body handing out the qualification, the task of getting employers to recognise the qualification, (and we’re contemplating globally), is going to be long and difficult.

I have been working with the contractors all the time. I don’t need to be accredited by any professional body. All I need is to prove my skill and competence.

If I will work with the Client side or Consultant my future will depend on my professional qualifications and membership from a professional body, the more the better.

Cheers..

My opinion is we need every help that we can get. I for myself got an accreditation with PMI on my own.

I am not biased with any Professional bodies they do offer different things depending in what you specialize in.

With PP and other Professional in collaboration I am for sure know we can achieve great things.