And there in lies the problem!!!! How do you know that the information is trustworthy? I have no answer to that except maybe doing your own research to try and verify the outputs etc - the production rates on this web site is one place to start although the circumstances they were produced in are not known. Other projects you or others have worked on might be another source. Disruption claims are very difficult to quantify, the contractor will often try to present them as globally as possible stating its impossible to state cause and effect in any detail - the client will take the opposite view wanting to know to the every detail and reason. And so the arguements go on.
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Submitted by Amr Elserafy on Sat, 2005-05-28 06:01
i totaly agree with you that we must take into consideration all types of disruption.
I only have a question about the possibility to include information from other projects and if it is acceptable or not. The second is on what basis you will trust these information.
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Amr El-Serafy
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Submitted by Andrew Flowerdew on Mon, 2005-05-23 12:53
One method of quantifying disruption is to compare disrupted element of work with similar work on the site that hasnt been disrupted, learning curve and all being taken into account. It is often the case however that similar work is not available to compare with. Then life becomes complicated and many different ideas have been used such as comparing actual outputs with industry output norms (if you can decide what they are)or historic outputs on other projects, if available. You generally need more than this is what we priced on and this is what happened and so the difference is the disruption, learning curve being taken into account or not.
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Submitted by Anand Kulkarni on Thu, 2005-05-19 07:00
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Hi ,
You can read a book called " Quantifying and managing disruption claims by Hamish Lal , published by Thomas Telford
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Amr,
And there in lies the problem!!!! How do you know that the information is trustworthy? I have no answer to that except maybe doing your own research to try and verify the outputs etc - the production rates on this web site is one place to start although the circumstances they were produced in are not known. Other projects you or others have worked on might be another source. Disruption claims are very difficult to quantify, the contractor will often try to present them as globally as possible stating its impossible to state cause and effect in any detail - the client will take the opposite view wanting to know to the every detail and reason. And so the arguements go on.
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Hi Andy,
i totaly agree with you that we must take into consideration all types of disruption.
I only have a question about the possibility to include information from other projects and if it is acceptable or not. The second is on what basis you will trust these information.
Regards,
Amr El-Serafy
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20 years 10 monthsRE: Approach for quantifying disruption
One method of quantifying disruption is to compare disrupted element of work with similar work on the site that hasnt been disrupted, learning curve and all being taken into account. It is often the case however that similar work is not available to compare with. Then life becomes complicated and many different ideas have been used such as comparing actual outputs with industry output norms (if you can decide what they are)or historic outputs on other projects, if available. You generally need more than this is what we priced on and this is what happened and so the difference is the disruption, learning curve being taken into account or not.
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Jihad,
I feel in maxium cases disruption is due indirect resources not available on right time!
i.e more due to activities logistics support than resources out-put.
And Suppose there variation in work done.
Formula doesnt take care of same.
Thats why substantiating with overall work planned & done will give better picture.
Lets hope for some contribution on this from others!!!