Thank you for your comprehensive and constructive comments. My intension is to re-draft the document and take into consideration all the comments that will be posted at this forum.
Regards,
Nicos Pozatos.
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Submitted by Andy McShane on Wed, 2012-08-01 08:03
I believe your skill levels and Roles are a little to technically oriented and would contend a more wholly-rounded set of descriptions with focus on desired outputs/outcomes such as
1. Planning Manager
Responsible for mandating, promoting, governing and maintaining the planning policies and procedures, which align to corporate requirements of the business. The Planning Manager should be able to display adequate experience (at least) in the management of large projects* or planning teams*.
* Scale relevent to the business
2. Senior Planner / Lead Planner
Reports to the Planning Manager with similar accountibilities to the Planning Manager but at a project level. The Senior/Lead Planner should have sufficient experience to develop the project programme and then critically evaluate it on a regular basis by way of interogation and reporting. Sufficient experience may be in the form of demostrated evidence of project based planning work, leadership, team interaction etc.
3. Project Planner
Reporting to the Senior/Lead Planner, the Project Planner should be competant in developing and monitoring programmes for their section of work (not necessarily the entire project). Project Planners should be able to draw on past project experience to develop & critique logic, monitor progress and report on effort (Earned Value, resourcing etc). Project Planners should be expected to develop an understanding of the business practices (commercial, legal etc)
4. Junior Planner
Step 1 in a planning career, this is where the basics are learnt.
Develop understanding of projects, planning processes, team interaction.
No references to software...
No references to time frames, experience and success should be the key drivers. Lets face it, not all planners are equal!
No reference to integrated/team planning, liasing with engineers/foreman. This should be implemented at all levels.
Also note that positions below the Planning Manager should be flexible to account for varying magnitudes of projects (in complexity and scale)
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Submitted by Nicos Pozatos on Mon, 2012-07-30 18:20
I agree 100% with what is mentioned in the link you have provided. Certainly communication of the Programme to the Stakeholders is the corner stone for the successful implementation of the programme. I actually go one step further and I say that the Managers and Engineers that are going to implement the Programme should prepare it with the support and guidance by the Planning Engineer.
I know that my proposal is not perfect so if you want to enhance it or you have a better one for the levels and skills of the Planning Engineers you are most welcome to share it with us.
Regards,
Nicos Pozatos
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Submitted by Shareef Abdul Azeez on Sat, 2012-07-28 21:19
Scheduling is a requisite for all endeavours, be it using softwares or simple mind calculations; unless the project director is either lucky or ready to take risks.
Nicos has made a good sorting of skill levels, perhaps will be used by the Guild for their classifications or may be that stage has already been passed with Phase 2 launch.
Regards
Shareef Abdul Azeez
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Submitted by Patrick Weaver on Sat, 2012-07-28 08:24
Thank you for your comment. Certifications like the "PMI-PMP" or the "AACE-PSP" are certainly a plus for a Senior Planning Engineer but not a must and I will agree with Mike Testro that Construction Experience and Planning Experinece "On-Site" is what really matters.
A planning engineer which is having an advance training of project management like ''PMI-PMP'', would be qualified for a high level of position in planning category like a senior planner or manager?
Although I do not like P6 I believe you should be free to select your tool and if it happens to be P6 it shall be ok. I welcome Mike's suggestion because even if you are to continue using P6 it might happen that you might loose the opportunity to hire someone with experience on other software, that can learn P6 and might be your best option. Do not close the door to some good candidates.
Best regards,
Rafael
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Submitted by Nicos Pozatos on Mon, 2012-07-09 15:03
I accept your comment. Insted of "Primavera" I should use the term "project planning tool used by the company". I know that there are other equally good or even better applications in the market.
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Nicos.
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Submitted by Nicos Pozatos on Mon, 2012-07-09 14:56
I Don't think these a minimum time between any position surely it should come down to experiances and exposure the purpose has had, there are alot of good parts but these a few areas which I don't think people will ever get them skills or experiances, for example a QS may never learn AutoCAD, an Engineer may never learn contract law and/or gain qualifications in it.
some of it seems reasonable others not so... but overall its heading in the right direction isn't the Guild publishing a guidance list for this shortly?
Hello Ryan,
Thank you for your comments.
I believe that this classification of Planning Engineers is usefull and it will become more interesting once is linked to salary scales.
Most probably there is some kind of Classification by AACE or PMI or the Guild. If anybody has such information is kindly requested to send my a copy.
I Don't think these a minimum time between any position surely it should come down to experiances and exposure the purpose has had, there are alot of good parts but these a few areas which I don't think people will ever get them skills or experiances, for example a QS may never learn AutoCAD, an Engineer may never learn contract law and/or gain qualifications in it.
some of it seems reasonable others not so... but overall its heading in the right direction isn't the Guild publishing a guidance list for this shortly?
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13 years 4 monthscan anyone please mention the
can anyone please mention the salary also in the gulf (UAE) according to the various positions mentioned above !!!!!
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24 years 4 monthsHello Andy, Thank you for
Hello Andy,
Thank you for your comprehensive and constructive comments. My intension is to re-draft the document and take into consideration all the comments that will be posted at this forum.
Regards,
Nicos Pozatos.
Member for
22 years 1 monthNicos, I believe your skill
Nicos,
I believe your skill levels and Roles are a little to technically oriented and would contend a more wholly-rounded set of descriptions with focus on desired outputs/outcomes such as
1. Planning Manager
Responsible for mandating, promoting, governing and maintaining the planning policies and procedures, which align to corporate requirements of the business. The Planning Manager should be able to display adequate experience (at least) in the management of large projects* or planning teams*.
* Scale relevent to the business
2. Senior Planner / Lead Planner
Reports to the Planning Manager with similar accountibilities to the Planning Manager but at a project level. The Senior/Lead Planner should have sufficient experience to develop the project programme and then critically evaluate it on a regular basis by way of interogation and reporting. Sufficient experience may be in the form of demostrated evidence of project based planning work, leadership, team interaction etc.
3. Project Planner
Reporting to the Senior/Lead Planner, the Project Planner should be competant in developing and monitoring programmes for their section of work (not necessarily the entire project). Project Planners should be able to draw on past project experience to develop & critique logic, monitor progress and report on effort (Earned Value, resourcing etc). Project Planners should be expected to develop an understanding of the business practices (commercial, legal etc)
4. Junior Planner
Step 1 in a planning career, this is where the basics are learnt.
Develop understanding of projects, planning processes, team interaction.
No references to software...
No references to time frames, experience and success should be the key drivers. Lets face it, not all planners are equal!
No reference to integrated/team planning, liasing with engineers/foreman. This should be implemented at all levels.
Also note that positions below the Planning Manager should be flexible to account for varying magnitudes of projects (in complexity and scale)
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24 years 4 monthsHello Partick, I agree 100%
Hello Partick,
I agree 100% with what is mentioned in the link you have provided. Certainly communication of the Programme to the Stakeholders is the corner stone for the successful implementation of the programme. I actually go one step further and I say that the Managers and Engineers that are going to implement the Programme should prepare it with the support and guidance by the Planning Engineer.
I know that my proposal is not perfect so if you want to enhance it or you have a better one for the levels and skills of the Planning Engineers you are most welcome to share it with us.
Regards,
Nicos Pozatos
Member for
20 years 1 monthHelloScheduling is a
Hello
Scheduling is a requisite for all endeavours, be it using softwares or simple mind calculations; unless the project director is either lucky or ready to take risks.
Nicos has made a good sorting of skill levels, perhaps will be used by the Guild for their classifications or may be that stage has already been passed with Phase 2 launch.
Regards
Shareef Abdul Azeez
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24 years 9 monthsThe proposed descriptions
The proposed descriptions simply describe technicians that are unlikely to have any beneficial effect on project outcomes.
There is absolutely no point in scheduling unless the information generated is actually used to inform decisions and generate a better project outcome. See: http://www.mosaicprojects.com.au/Resources_Papers_090.html
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24 years 4 monthsDear Rowstone, Thank you for
Dear Rowstone,
Thank you for your comment. Certifications like the "PMI-PMP" or the "AACE-PSP" are certainly a plus for a Senior Planning Engineer but not a must and I will agree with Mike Testro that Construction Experience and Planning Experinece "On-Site" is what really matters.
Regards,
Nicos Pozatos.
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19 years 10 monthsHi Rowstone It doesn't matter
Hi Rowstone
It doesn't matter how good you are on the software it is your experience in construction that matters.
If you can't build it then you can't plan it.
Best regards
Mike Testro
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14 years 5 monthsGood day Everyone, A planning
Good day Everyone,
A planning engineer which is having an advance training of project management like ''PMI-PMP'', would be qualified for a high level of position in planning category like a senior planner or manager?
Please have your comments.
Thnks.
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13 years 4 monthsI would like to recommend you
I would like to recommend you Asta Powerproject in this case.
In my opinion, Asta Powerproject is perfect software for construction and engineering industries.
It is for high performance project management, scheduling and resource control.
It helps us for presentation the project and it helps to win project tenders and communicate effectively.
The schedules can be accessed and edit data online and view progress, resource and cost reports with ease.
What I like more that unlimited baselines ‘what if scenarios’ for a number of different solutions to a given requirement.
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21 years 8 monthsNicos,Although I do not like
Nicos,
Although I do not like P6 I believe you should be free to select your tool and if it happens to be P6 it shall be ok. I welcome Mike's suggestion because even if you are to continue using P6 it might happen that you might loose the opportunity to hire someone with experience on other software, that can learn P6 and might be your best option. Do not close the door to some good candidates.
Best regards,
Rafael
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24 years 4 monthsHello Mike, I accept your
Hello Mike,
I accept your comment. Insted of "Primavera" I should use the term "project planning tool used by the company". I know that there are other equally good or even better applications in the market.
Regards,
Nicos.
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24 years 4 monthsAfternoon Nicos, I Don't
Afternoon Nicos,
I Don't think these a minimum time between any position surely it should come down to experiances and exposure the purpose has had, there are alot of good parts but these a few areas which I don't think people will ever get them skills or experiances, for example a QS may never learn AutoCAD, an Engineer may never learn contract law and/or gain qualifications in it.
some of it seems reasonable others not so... but overall its heading in the right direction isn't the Guild publishing a guidance list for this shortly?
Hello Ryan,
Thank you for your comments.
I believe that this classification of Planning Engineers is usefull and it will become more interesting once is linked to salary scales.
Most probably there is some kind of Classification by AACE or PMI or the Guild. If anybody has such information is kindly requested to send my a copy.
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13 years 11 monthsAfternoon Nicos, I Don't
Afternoon Nicos,
I Don't think these a minimum time between any position surely it should come down to experiances and exposure the purpose has had, there are alot of good parts but these a few areas which I don't think people will ever get them skills or experiances, for example a QS may never learn AutoCAD, an Engineer may never learn contract law and/or gain qualifications in it.
some of it seems reasonable others not so... but overall its heading in the right direction isn't the Guild publishing a guidance list for this shortly?
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19 years 10 monthsHi Nicos Why just Primavera
Hi Nicos
Why just Primavera Skills.
There are better programming software products available.
Best regards
Mike Testro