OK - I figured this one out, sometimes posting the problem helps, kept here for others: I told it to print portrait & it it printed is landscape - solved. What-ever works, I don't ned to know why. This was the problem: Time scaled logic diagram - all setting on Landscape still prints portrait? I am running it in citrix which likely has something to do with it. I am printing it to D size, does it matter if ansi or arch? This type of print was moved to the Visualizer product. I have said bad things about visualizer - but the controls on the TSLD are decent. Not as good as they should be 35 years after p3's but decent.