Q: 1- in such a project is it better to go for traditional way of tendering (design then tender) or fast track method?
Answer 1: Complete the Design then Tender.
Q2- is 9 month enough for design & tender by traditional way?
Answer: This depends on the design office and the approval procedure. Basically it depends on the parties envoled and the level of authority. This duration depends on the size of the project and the complexity.
Q3- in abcense of lead consultant on the project how the duration of design stage will be effected?
Answer: Without good coordination effort by a professional expert, you should expect that this stage will be late.
Q4- in construction stage, what will be the approx. lag between start of demolition works & refurbishment works
Answer: The demolition time depends on the size of the project and the resources available. The start of the finishes depends on the approval of the material and the shop drawings. Bascially you will be all right to start the finishes works if you are able to complete the shop drawings for the electrical, mechanical, and civil works and get the material approved within 1-2 weeks.
1- in such a project is it better to go for traditional way of tendering (design then tender) or fast track method?
2- is 9 month enough for design & tender by traditional way?
Traditional is better - it will save a lot of disputes and you will get a truly comparable price on a fixed scope\of works.
3- in abcense of lead consultant on the project how the duration of design stage will be effected?
Very badly - no one will have sole responsibilty for delivery and there will be squabbles among the section designers.
4- in construction stage, what will be the approx. lag between start of demolition works & refurbishment works
By demolition works do yuou meean total demolition or non structural strip out?
In any case you cannot start any refurb work while demolition is going on. If it is fairly light strip out you can sart at the top with that and then follow down each floor with the next set of trades.
In fact this project is refurbishment with closing out the hotel for the complete period of 18 months during construction. Preconstruction period (design & tender) is 9 months. Now what i want to make sure of is that:
1- in such a project is it better to go for traditional way of tendering (design then tender) or fast track method?
2- is 9 month enough for design & tender by traditional way?
3- in abcense of lead consultant on the project how the duration of design stage will be effected?
4- in construction stage, what will be the approx. lag between start of demolition works & refurbishment works?
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Submitted by Samer Zawaydeh on Fri, 2009-02-13 04:14
The first take would be to divide the project into phases.
1. Phases which are independent. These are areas that can start and end independent from the other area.
2. Inter-related Phases: these are areas where you can start after the start of the 1st stage.
3. Phases which you do not know when you are doing to start, but you will figure it out while you are working.
The key learning lessons from a successful project that I have just completed ar the following:
1. Highly experienced project manager
2. Highly experienced subcontractors.
3. Hiring the Best Contractor in the business
4. Repeat: Plan Do Check Act daily.
The main objective of the project would be to ensure the satisfaction of the customers and in this case it is the Operator. The largest money generating source of income for a hotel is the Main Ballroom. So I would suggest that you concentrate on that and ensure that it is completed ahead of time.
The upper level support throughtout the day on site is a must. And high level of coordination between the project stakeholders is necessary.
Let us know at which stage you are and what is your specific question.
- Phasing (partial turnover schedule), hotel owners are very particular of their IRRs
- Isolation works of unaffected rooms due to noise and dust
- All work are being undertaken during the working day, when most guest are out of the hotel
-Type of scaffolding to use due to available working area
Maybe experts can contribute more, but the problematic issue on this type of work is in dealing with complaints from hotel guests (if it is a partial renovations and part of the hotel is open for business).
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17 years 3 monthsRE: High Level Programme- Refurbishment of Hotels
Dear C.,
Please consider the following from experience:
Q: 1- in such a project is it better to go for traditional way of tendering (design then tender) or fast track method?
Answer 1: Complete the Design then Tender.
Q2- is 9 month enough for design & tender by traditional way?
Answer: This depends on the design office and the approval procedure. Basically it depends on the parties envoled and the level of authority. This duration depends on the size of the project and the complexity.
Q3- in abcense of lead consultant on the project how the duration of design stage will be effected?
Answer: Without good coordination effort by a professional expert, you should expect that this stage will be late.
Q4- in construction stage, what will be the approx. lag between start of demolition works & refurbishment works
Answer: The demolition time depends on the size of the project and the resources available. The start of the finishes depends on the approval of the material and the shop drawings. Bascially you will be all right to start the finishes works if you are able to complete the shop drawings for the electrical, mechanical, and civil works and get the material approved within 1-2 weeks.
Best Regards,
Samer
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16 years 9 monthsRE: High Level Programme- Refurbishment of Hotels
Samer thanks for your advice for sure I will come back to you soon as soon as I find out more about details of construction policy & method;)
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16 years 9 monthsRE: High Level Programme- Refurbishment of Hotels
Thanks Mike
I do agree with you; traditional way has less risk & 9 monthes well...COULD be a fare duration (for all design- coordinations-approvals & tender);)
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19 years 10 monthsRE: High Level Programme- Refurbishment of Hotels
Hi Civila
2- is 9 month enough for design & tender by traditional way?
9 months should be plenty of time.
Best regards
Mike Testro
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19 years 10 monthsRE: High Level Programme- Refurbishment of Hotels
Hi Civila
1- in such a project is it better to go for traditional way of tendering (design then tender) or fast track method?
2- is 9 month enough for design & tender by traditional way?
Traditional is better - it will save a lot of disputes and you will get a truly comparable price on a fixed scope\of works.
3- in abcense of lead consultant on the project how the duration of design stage will be effected?
Very badly - no one will have sole responsibilty for delivery and there will be squabbles among the section designers.
4- in construction stage, what will be the approx. lag between start of demolition works & refurbishment works
By demolition works do yuou meean total demolition or non structural strip out?
In any case you cannot start any refurb work while demolition is going on. If it is fairly light strip out you can sart at the top with that and then follow down each floor with the next set of trades.
Best regards
Mike Testro
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16 years 9 monthsRE: High Level Programme- Refurbishment of Hotels
Thanks all for the inputs.
In fact this project is refurbishment with closing out the hotel for the complete period of 18 months during construction. Preconstruction period (design & tender) is 9 months. Now what i want to make sure of is that:
1- in such a project is it better to go for traditional way of tendering (design then tender) or fast track method?
2- is 9 month enough for design & tender by traditional way?
3- in abcense of lead consultant on the project how the duration of design stage will be effected?
4- in construction stage, what will be the approx. lag between start of demolition works & refurbishment works?
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17 years 3 monthsRE: High Level Programme- Refurbishment of Hotels
Dear Civilila,
Please ask for any detail you like to know about.
The first take would be to divide the project into phases.
1. Phases which are independent. These are areas that can start and end independent from the other area.
2. Inter-related Phases: these are areas where you can start after the start of the 1st stage.
3. Phases which you do not know when you are doing to start, but you will figure it out while you are working.
The key learning lessons from a successful project that I have just completed ar the following:
1. Highly experienced project manager
2. Highly experienced subcontractors.
3. Hiring the Best Contractor in the business
4. Repeat: Plan Do Check Act daily.
The main objective of the project would be to ensure the satisfaction of the customers and in this case it is the Operator. The largest money generating source of income for a hotel is the Main Ballroom. So I would suggest that you concentrate on that and ensure that it is completed ahead of time.
The upper level support throughtout the day on site is a must. And high level of coordination between the project stakeholders is necessary.
Let us know at which stage you are and what is your specific question.
Best Regards,
Samer
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19 years 10 monthsRE: High Level Programme- Refurbishment of Hotels
Hi Civilila
Everything depends on whether the hotel is occupied during refurbishment.
Let me know further.
Best regards
Mike Testro
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20 years 2 monthsRE: High Level Programme- Refurbishment of Hotels
Civilila 77,
- Traffic impact (route plan for equipment)
- Storage of materials
- Phasing (partial turnover schedule), hotel owners are very particular of their IRRs
- Isolation works of unaffected rooms due to noise and dust
- All work are being undertaken during the working day, when most guest are out of the hotel
-Type of scaffolding to use due to available working area
Maybe experts can contribute more, but the problematic issue on this type of work is in dealing with complaints from hotel guests (if it is a partial renovations and part of the hotel is open for business).
R. Catalan
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19 years 1 monthRE: High Level Programme- Refurbishment of Hotels
You may start reading the Contract; Scope of Works; Bill of Quantities (if any).