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INTRODUCTION - PP ACCREDITATION MANAGER

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Matthew Edwards
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Dear All Planning Planet Members,

I wish to introduce myself to the PP Community.

My name is Matt Edwards and I am the new Accreditation Manager for Planning Planet. My job is to drive the Accreditation Process for Planners and Schedulers on Planning Planet and be professionally recognised globally.

I am all ears as regards to what each and everyone of you want with regard to promoting yourselves in the planning and scheduling arena globally.

I want to help you all develop & progress your skills and competencies in the world of planning and scheduling.

I feel that it is very important for each and everyone of us planners & schedulers to become accredited and pursue and develop our careers in this specialist arena globally.

I wish to hear from as many of you as possible and listen to your requirements, thoughts and ideas on planning & scheduling accreditation and the drive towards global recognition.

If you wish to meet me face to face, then I will be at the PP stand all day at the Oracle UK User Event at the British Motorcycle Museum on the 20th May in Birmingham.

In the menatime, if you would like to discuss your accreditation requirements directly, then please feel free to suggest it on this thread.

Regards

Matthew Edwards
Planning Planet Accreditation Manager

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Mufiz Sayed
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Always remember...................Many things difficult in design, prove easy in performance thru planning.

Almost all the members of PP has contributed lot of time & hard efforts to bring the PP to this  present level.  Definitely it will yeild positive results.  

Hi All,

In reply to the question posed... "Dear Mathew,  I am not sure how successful the PP accredityation will be coz there are already many established players and certifications (PMI-SP, AACEI, CIOB - Time Management etc.) In addition to this, we are not any professional body whoes qualification/accreditation can be reciognised by others.. Am I msising anything ? "

A committee within the Guild is in place specifically to see how the Guild can work with the current certifications etc. 

Discussions are already ongoing with several of the organisations referenced above, and the plan for the Guild is to be able to reference, recognise and align good practice standards and certifications. 

We (as planners) and us (you me and the community) as 'the body' of the Guild do not need to reinvent the wheel and redefined what has already been defined as good practice.  It is becoming clear that the Guild, being wholly independant and run by experienced planning managers, is in a possition to recognise all systems and align them on a common platform whever possible.  It will be interesting!! 

How can this be possible???  The Guild is run by a group of planners in an open, non profit and transparent manner and as a result the Guild organisation does not need to compete with or duplicate any good things that are already out there in the market place.

So, if you have your PMI-SP, then you should be able to get into the Guild by virtue of having that credential, right?.  Yes, that would be the plan.  I would also expect that the aforementioned committee for liaison with professional bodies would be tasked to ensure that any issues not covered by the PMI-PSP, if any, are covered by additional Guild good-practice guides, but I (me who is typing this) do not have all the information and answers on this as I am investing my personal time on PP and not the Guild (currently!).  The Guild team(s) are working on these issues right now.  So if any of this interests you, I suggest that you do what I have done and contact PPAadmin@planningplanet.com and see if you can get invloved.

In addition to the above, do not forget the influence, rigour and support that the global emlpoyers are bringing to the Guild.  For example, companies like BP plc and Mott MacDonald, are already on-board with the Guild and are helping shape its future and also the future of us and our truly under-valued profession.

Be proud of your profession and be proud of your planning.

Hope some of this helps.   PP Team

Mike Testro
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Hi Matt

Armistice day - very appropriate.

Mike Testro

Matthew Edwards
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Hi Chris

 

The Guild of Project planning,Controls and Delivery will be established on 11-11-11.

 

We have a number of CIOB / PMI / AACEI members who want a specific accreditation scheme for planning,scheduling and project controls. The accreditation scheme is now established ready to act as the tool for developing and training individuals who wish to join the Guild and be recognised to their employers.

If you would like to know more then please email ppadmin@planningplanet.com

Rgds

 

Matthew Edwards

Accreditation Manager

Chris Brace
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Dear Mathew,

I am not sure how successful the PP accredityation will be coz there are already many established players and certifications (PMI-SP, AACEI, CIOB - Time Management etc.) In addition to this, we are not any professional body whoes qualification/accreditation can be reciognised by others.. Am I msising anything ? 

Thanks,

Gary Whitehead
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Hi Matt,

 

How's the accreditation work going? any update?

 

Cheers,

 

G

Vishwas Bindigana...
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Hi Matt,

 

Vishwas here. I'm PMP, PSP certified; MAPM designated. What is "PP Accreditation"? And, how do I get accredited? Greatly appreciate your feedback.

 

Thanks & regards,

 

Vishwas Bindiganavale PMP PSP MAPM

Project Management Control Systems Manager

Turner Construction - International LLC.

Dubai, UAE

Matthew Edwards
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Hi Marian

You will see an intro in the next newsletter from the PPAS Chief Editor for the EMEA. Also, we are getting the editorial team assembled for the Americas and Asia Pacific.

Will give you an update again soon. Hope this helps.

Regards

Matthew Edwards
Marian Anyameluhor
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Hi Matthew,

Has there been an update to this thread?

Best regards,
M
Matthew Edwards
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Dear All PP Members,

RE: Planning Planet Accreditation Scheme

Just to give you an update where things are in the PP drive for accreditation:

1) The PPAS Editorial Team are now being finalised. I have an Inner Circle of around 20 editors from all industries around the globe.

2) The PPAS Action Plan comments will be finalised this Friday at 12 noon GMT Deadline.

3) We have our 1st PPAS Editor Team Meeting in Mid-July.

4) I will be presenting the PPAS Plan at the Asta National Users Event on the 14th July in London.

I will keep this thread updated and keep everyone informed.

Regards

Matthew Edwards
Planning Planet Accreditation Manager
Samer Zawaydeh
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Hi,

Maybe first we need to determine the scope of the project, then we can determine the cost and time.

Once Matthew is ready, we can have a brain storming session for 1-2 days and get the general areas of interest.

I would recommend that we concentrate on the Vision at the stage and let as many PP members contribute to the Vision statement. PP members are the key at this stage.

Subsequently, details will follow.

With kind regards,

Samer
Ahmad Albirawi
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Dear Matthew,

Forgive me for not congratulate you earlier.

All the luck and prosperity in your new role

Kind Regards

Ahmad Albirawi
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Dear Mai t.,

Welcome in bored and hope you and all PP members will always have this knowledge Interactive platform.

Please forgive me If I ask you why you haven’t join PP just on march 2010? while you have around 9 years experience in Planning!

Please let me elaborate my point further. foreign or local company’s tent/or/prefer to employ Planners/ Schedulers that have similar experience/construction mentality to the company’s origin.

i.e. UK construction companies looking/or/ prefer CEng (EngC, Engineering Council), CIOB (Chartered Institute Of Building), PEO (Planning Engineers Organization)...etc. whilst U.S. companies looking/or/ prefer PE (professional engineer), and AACE licensed ...etc

You will probably ask what is different? and I can say one example of many (i.e. acceleration costs estimation, floats ownership...etc)

I do agree with Samir’s point on the PP experience and their information exchanged. However, will the PP accreditation will be credited and adopted by all different mentality of construction companies globally? I mean this a big challenge to Mathew and to us as well.

I do wish to all of us a smooth accreditation journey while its recognized globally.

Kind Regards

Ahmad Albirawi
Gary Whitehead
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Here’s my brain-dump:

The principal benefit to us planners of gaining accreditation is it acts as a form of guarantee to prospective employers about a minimum level of knowledge / experience / quality, so we’re more likely to get jobs, and can get better pay.

I think there is a risk that this benefit is lost if the employee has not heard of Planning Planet. If I was an employer and had a CV in front of me which claimed accreditation from a website, I would give that accreditation little credence, unless the website had something like Royal Chartered Status, or it’s accreditation scheme was recognised by an institute which I had heard of (eg APM, CIOB, etc)

What is the planned approach for gaining international recognition of this accreditation scheme, particularly amongst employers? I think without this, A PP qualification will be fairly useless unless you are lucky enough to be employed by a fellow PP member.


As far as how the scheme should be designed, I’m not sure how democratic a process you are looking for? We could vote on the membership of one or more working groups who could come up with some proposals which we could then vote on again. Or is the plan just to ask the general community for input, and do it all yourself?
Key things which need to be settled fairly on, I would have thought would be:

-The number and levels of accreditations offered
I would be happy with 2 levels of accreditation. The first would be for project planners, aimed at filtering out the keyboard jockeys who don’t have a working knowledge of anything other than the software. The second would be aimed at Senior Planner / Planning manager level and would look at not just the ability to plan a project, but to write scheduling procedures, lead planning teams, understand contracts & commercial implications of planning, etc.

-Assesment methods
Always challenging, this. It won’t take long before someone is selling/giving away answers to online exams. Same with paper exams, to a lesser degree. Face-to-face interviews would require a lot of assessors in a lot of countries, submission of papers like the PEO is I think more robust, but I’m not sure how you would counter plagiarism without a lot of admin backup. I think an online interview with 2-3 planning professionals might be a useful route, but how do you stop people getting someone else to take the interview for them?

-Finance
If this accreditation is going to become respected, it will need to cost a fair amount to administer, so I don’t see how it could be free. I don’t really know how you’d go about calculating the right price, though.

-Training resources
Were you planning to offer training courses aimed at gaining accreditation? Online or in person? I would hope that such training wouldn’t be the only route into accreditation.
Mai Tawfeq
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Dear Ahmed :

To stand alone is rather to stand in line with other organization , let us start our joinery as pp members supporting by and to new manager to complete his mission , and during this joinery believe me a lot of surprises will be waiting to discover .
I have joined to planning planet in march 2010 ,I can see I have found a lot of expertise people based on my daily reviewing and exploring and beside that a lot of support and help , let us thinking positively and let our objectives be general .

To be honest with myself and with anyone listing or reading my reply before enjoying to PP I have never heard about CIOB .

As Samir said the exchanged information and suggestions is a huge in our planet , and that can be a good indication for PP Members nature .

Truly Regards

mai
Mai Tawfeq
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Congratulations dear Matt ,
hoping a full enjoying and success during your mission , u will find our support at any time and place .

I would like to express my gratefully to u and the other crew , thinking positively and drive us as pp members forward.

regards
mai t.
Ahmad Albirawi
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Dear Samer,

I’m not criticizing or having any doubt about PP capabilities or experience as I said before.

All I’m saying that PP voice/echo have not reached all the planners/schedulers or organizations around the world.

adjoining or lineage with other organizations (irregardless of their information exchange activation) would create a better opportunity to us in favor of our accreditation.

Kind Regards

Ahmad Albiraw
Samer Zawaydeh
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Dear Ahmad,

The efforts of each organization depends on the experiences of the Committee that is preparing that Accreditation. They try to make it as general as possible, and that makes it not valuable in some cases.

I can assure you that the information exchanged in this platform far exceeds the testing done by most entities.

Most of the discussions that are taking place are related to Construction Activities. That is why the accummulated knowledge available with PP members is huge and it can custom tailered to serve the members by providing a body of knowledge based upon practitioners hands on experience in what works in what doesn’t.

The key difference is experience. You will be able to get the information that you need to know to succeed based on real life successful experiences. It is not theory from 1960’s.

With kind regards,

Samer
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Dear Samer

I’m not criticizing the vast experience and Information that beautiful PP members share it with us rather I’m being constructive and conservative to our accreditation.

you see, I’m working in the middle east and there is lots and lots of local and foreign company’s came from different nationalities and backgrounds. the issue here is not all of these company’s familiar with PP or AACE or even CIOB.

Providing a platform that all these organization could based on or Line with On would facilitate planner/scheduler positions in their company’s while being also sort of relief and confidence to the company itself.

Kind Regards

Ahmad Albirawi
Samer Zawaydeh
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Dear Ahmad,

Why do you want it to be in line with some other organization. The PP members have enough current information that surpass an existing body.

If you know of any other site that is as active as PP, please let me know. The key important factor is that you are getting the information that is being positively criticized until you reach the right solution.

With kind regards,

Samer
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Matthew Edwards
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Hi Ahmad

Please see the following link and a regional consul will take your thoughts and channel back to me. Great to see this happen.

I agree with your thoughts on the accreditation process. As regards to any further thoughts. please let me know.

Regards

Matt
Ahmad Albirawi
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Hi Matthew,
If you would allow me to suggest that It’s might a beneficial to nominate/or/ elect a group of trustee planners/schedulers in each country or area to facilitate your works?

In addition, I believe that It’s for the beneficiary of PP members that the accreditation process should be in line with CIOB and PEO organizations!?

Best wishes and good luck in yours and our accreditation journey

Regards
Ahmad
Samer Zawaydeh
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Dear Matthew,

We are at your service. I think that the current envelop of identifying knowledge capacity should integrate the practice with theory. This is the least we can do.

With kind regards,

Samer
Matthew Edwards
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Hi Samer

Thanks for the support.

I want to drive things forward and get us Planners and schedulers accredited. I am also keen to get other professionals in the PP accreditation process.

I take in your brilliant idea of a survey and will revert.

Regards

Matthew Edwards
PP Accreditation Manager
Matthew Edwards
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Hi Mike

I have heard that the CIOB are running a similar scheme for Chartered Building professionals.

Planning Planet Accreditation is a universal accreditation for Planners and Schedulers from all trades and professions and not just building.

The cost of the PP courses will be issued in due course alongside a matrix.

Regards

Matthew Edwards
Mike Testro
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Hi Matt

You are no doubt aware that the CIOB is about to launch a planning training and accreditation committee.

How will your accreditation scheme work alongside the CIOB?

I also note that your forthcoming Delay Analysis training with Asta in July will cost delegates £450.00 per day - can you tell us what the likely cost of the PP accreditation will cost.

Best regards

Mike Testro
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Dear Matthew,

Congradulations. It is a challenging task and will make that start of a process that will benefit many.

I think that the best way to start is to initiate a survey that address PP members and their current task and needs. The committee incharge of this survey can determine the specialties of the members, educational back grounds and theories and tools that they are using in their work.

Parrallel to that, a second task can be assigned to identify the key building blocks from Planning and Scheduling PP responses. PP has plenty of knowledge in its threads and that should be assembled into knowledge areas.

Subsequently, an online exam can be offered to members (preferrably free) that will identify the level of skill they have. So a person with 1 year experiece, can take level 1 basics, and a person with 10+ years experience, can answer the delay analysis and contractual issues section.

Wishing you super success and prosperity, I am sure that you will find plenty of support from PP members.

With kind regards,

Samer